Napoleon North Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Size: 24mm feather matrix size: 75mm x 45mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 That's an interesting piece, from a good seller. My link "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Dactyll Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Auspex... Your definately on top of your game Cheers Steve... And Welcome if your a New Member... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon North Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 http://scienceasweknowit.blogspot.com/2011/06/newly-described-passerine-bird.html fossil bird from poland oligocene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 >link to pdf< "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon North Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) Eurotrochilus noniewiczi http://www.birdwatch...i/zdjecie/14176 http://pl.wikipedia....i/Eurotrochilus http://en.wikipedia....i/Eurotrochilus Poland oligocene fossil: http://www.jaslonet.pl/rozmaitosci/kolekcja-paleontologiczna-w-jasielskim-muzeum,1037.html Edited June 27, 2011 by Napoleon North Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 While there is no way to identify the bird from which this feather came, we can safely conclude that it is not from anything as small as a hummingbird; it is a body contour feather, and the bird that lost it had to be bigger than a Starling, at least. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon North Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) While there is no way to identify the bird from which this feather came, we can safely conclude that it is not from anything as small as a hummingbird; it is a body contour feather, and the bird that lost it had to be bigger than a Starling, at least. And it can be a sparrow? http://www.google.pl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hainaultforest.co.uk/SparrowFeathers1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hainaultforest.co.uk/6Feathers.htm&usg=__PlxYZggQXOmDL849rydyOfJ4nms=&h=266&w=250&sz=16&hl=pl&start=0&sig2=S3r9qRx7zLPktr1atUQMWQ&zoom=1&tbnid=dWxD6VEhGYd_IM:&tbnh=158&tbnw=137&ei=G_cIToa2Os-Lswbri92oDg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsparrow%2Bfeather%26hl%3Dpl%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D667%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=761&vpy=88&dur=1910&hovh=212&hovw=200&tx=106&ty=115&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0&biw=1366&bih=667 Edited June 27, 2011 by Napoleon North Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 And it can be a sparrow? This feather is too large to be a contour feather from a sparrow. The bird would have had to be bigger than a Starling (Sternus vulgaris), and maybe quite a lot bigger. We will never know. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeDOTB Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 So probably a European swallow? Not an African swallow? Not heavily laiden? Sorry, couldnt resist! DO, or do not. There is no try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon North Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) Europen , Poland not African bird feather. Edited June 28, 2011 by Napoleon North Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 By the Oligocene, a fully modern avifauna had been established, and were doing what they do today. Thus, there is near certainty that the area this fossil came from hosted at least 300 species of birds through the year. Balance this against the tiny number of fossil species described from the region, and the hope of assigning this feather to one of them becomes quite hopeless. In extremely rare instances, the perfect preservation of microscopic details (feathers in amber, for example) might allow tentative identification to the family level. This one will have to remain a generic "feather". "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Alaska Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Europen , Poland not African bird feather. I think MikeDOTB was making a joke. It's a reference to Monty Python's Holy Grail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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