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Are these real adult Tyrannosaurus teeth?
Ginger0412 posted a topic in Is It Real? How to Recognize Fossil Fabrications
Are these real adult Tyrannosaurus teeth? Production area: Hell Creek I appreciate everyone's comments! thank you very much!
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https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20221212-the-mysterious-song-of-the-dinosaurs
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Any ready to bid ? https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2022/maximus-rex/tyrannosaurus-rex-skull (Hope its not old news and posted in the right place - New user still learning )
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"That some of these teeth are mammalian incisors there can be but little doubt..." - O. C. Marsh1 This kind of incisor-like ("incisiform") tooth was originally thought to have belonged to a large, Cretaceous mammal. Later discoveries revealed that these teeth were actually the front teeth ("premaxillary teeth") of Tyrannosaurs - and are now known as a hallmark of their clade, Tyrannosauroidea (along with fused nasals). Closely-spaced, parallel grooves on bones suggest that Tyrannosaurs used these teeth to selectively scrape meat from bone2. Identification Tyrannosaurid premaxillary teeth have a "D"-shaped cross section, with the lingual face flattened, and often have an apicobasal ridge on the midline of the lingual face. In more technical language, "...premaxillary teeth bear lingually rotated mesial and distal carinae forming a salinon cross-section at mid-crown height, and a highly convex labial aspect as in tyrannosauroids generally. In mesial/distal views carinae are sinuous, transitioning from lingually convex near the base to lingually concave approaching the occlusal surface. Carinae terminate prior to reaching the root/crown juncture. Mesial and distal aspects of the crown are depressed, yielding a weakly hourglass-shaped cross-section at the crown base... The carinae lack serrations [likely ontogenetically variable]... As in other tyrannosauroids, teeth exhibit a pronounced lingual ridge"3. Most of the current literature supports only one Tyrannosaurid species in the Hell Creek formation, Tyrannosaurus rex, a hypothesis subject to change in light of new evidence. Comments This tooth has no discernible antemortem wear. The collector appears to have applied some preservative coating, giving the enamel a slightly sharper gloss. Given the size, this is from a very young animal (smaller than "Jane", BMRP 2002.4.1). References 1. Marsh, O.C., 1892, "Notes on Mesozoic vertebrate fossils", American Journal of Science, 44: 170-176 2. David W.E. Hone and Mahito Watabe, "New information on scavenging and selective feeding behaviour of tyrannosaurs", Acta Palaeontologica Polonica 55 (4), 2010: 627-634 doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.4202/app.2009.0133 3. Zanno, L., Tucker, R.T., Canoville, A. et al. Diminutive fleet-footed tyrannosauroid narrows the 70-million-year gap in the North American fossil record. Commun Biol 2, 64 (2019). https://doi.org/10.1038/s42003-019-0308-7
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"That some of these teeth are mammalian incisors there can be but little doubt..." - O. C. Marsh1 This kind of incisor-like ("incisiform") tooth was originally thought to have belonged to a large, Cretaceous mammal. Later discoveries revealed that these teeth were actually the front teeth ("premaxillary teeth") of Tyrannosaurs - and are now known as a hallmark of their clade, Tyrannosauroidea (along with fused nasals). Closely-spaced, parallel grooves on bones suggest that Tyrannosaurs used these teeth to selectively scrape meat from bone2. Identification Tyrannosaurid premaxillary teeth have a "D"-shaped cross section, with the lingual face flattened, and often have an apicobasal ridge on the midline of the lingual face. In more technical language, "...premaxillary teeth bear lingually rotated mesial and distal carinae forming a salinon cross-section at mid-crown height, and a highly convex labial aspect as in tyrannosauroids generally. In mesial/distal views carinae are sinuous, transitioning from lingually convex near the base to lingually concave approaching the occlusal surface. Carinae terminate prior to reaching the root/crown juncture. Mesial and distal aspects of the crown are depressed, yielding a weakly hourglass-shaped cross-section at the crown base... The carinae lack serrations [likely ontogenetically variable]... As in other tyrannosauroids, teeth exhibit a pronounced lingual ridge"3. Most of the current literature supports only one Tyrannosaurid species in the Hell Creek formation, Tyrannosaurus rex, a hypothesis subject to change in light of new evidence. Comments This tooth exhibits some antemortem wear at the apex (pictured), on the carinae, and near the base of the lingual apicobasal ridge. Given the size, this is from a juvenile animal (smaller than "Jane", BMRP 2002.4.1). References 1. Marsh, O.C., 1892, "Notes on Mesozoic vertebrate fossils", American Journal of Science, 44: 170-176 2. David W.E. Hone and Mahito Watabe, "New information on scavenging and selective feeding behaviour of tyrannosaurs", Acta Palaeontologica Polonica 55 (4), 2010: 627-634 doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.4202/app.2009.0133 3. Zanno, L., Tucker, R.T., Canoville, A. et al. Diminutive fleet-footed tyrannosauroid narrows the 70-million-year gap in the North American fossil record. Commun Biol 2, 64 (2019). https://doi.org/10.1038/s42003-019-0308-7
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From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
This kind of incisor-like ("incisorform") tooth was originally thought to have belonged to a large, Cretaceous mammal. Later discoveries revealed that these teeth were actually the front teeth ("premaxillary teeth") of Tyrannosaurs - and are now known as a hallmark of their clade, Tyrannosauroidea. Closely-spaced, parallel grooves on bones suggest that Tyrannosaurs used these teeth to scrape meat from bone. Given the size, this is from a very young animal. Should Nanotyrannus be valid, then this should be considered an indeterminate Tyrannosaurid. -
From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
This kind of incisor-like ("incisorform") tooth was originally thought to have belonged to a large, Cretaceous mammal. Later discoveries revealed that these teeth were actually the front teeth ("premaxillary teeth") of Tyrannosaurs - and are now known as a hallmark of their clade, Tyrannosauroidea. Closely-spaced, parallel grooves on bones suggest that Tyrannosaurs used these teeth to scrape meat from bone. Given the size, this is from a juvenile animal (smaller than "Jane"). Should Nanotyrannus be valid, then this should be considered an indeterminate Tyrannosaurid.-
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There's a new documentary about dinosaurs (Prehistoric Planet). In this documentary we see a lot of dinosaurs and their appearance is quite different from movies (JW series) one of the most interesting is the Tyrannosaurus rex. This is because The T.rex had lips instead of showing cusps of their maxilla teeth. Actually, I really like the new look. It looks more like an animal than a monster from movies, but i'm very curious why did T.rex have lips? what is their evidence? I'm more interested in the basis for their idea. Does anyone know which paper has mentioned or discussed and studied this problem? "Did Tyrannosaurus Rex really have lips?" Thank guys very much for your reply and sharing. have a lovely day~
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Hi, Dear guys. I had a question about T.rex teeth I'm very confused by this question and hope to get an answer. we knew a T.rex‘s dentary tooth that will have a pinch in one side with the tongue. how about a maxilla tooth that will also have a pinch on one side? I guess that answer is not. And about another question: There is a tooth available online. Is it a dentary/maxilla tooth? and why. Please. From Weston County, Wyoming, United States 7¼ inches (18.5 cm) in length. Thanks guys for the help. Have a nice day. from Chris
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This tooth has always been described as nano . but I found that the both sides of the crown were not pinched, the base of the tooth was obviously pinched on the tongue side, and the other side (lip side) did not seem to be pinched. There is a little root on the tooth bottom (the pinch on both sides of the nano is for the crown?) The mesial ridge extends to 2/3 of the crown the fossil from powder county HCFM CH:5cm CBL:2cm CBW:1.2cm DC:2.5/mm Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated
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From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
It's remarkable that the minute features of this tooth can be preserved with such clarity after 66 million years! -
From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
The preservation of theropod teeth doesn't get much better than this. -
From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
As a theropod tooth aficionado, I thought it useful to compare two families present in the Hell Creek Formation. They become increasingly difficult to distinguish as they get smaller, but this graphic presents some features which may be used to differentiate them on two similarly-sized exceptional specimens. Keep in mind there is some variability due to position, ontogeny, etc., so it's beneficial to study more than one tooth for each family.-
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From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
Not the prettiest tooth, but I very much enjoy fossils like this that demonstrate behavior and tell a story. T. rex and other Tyrannosaurs were unusual among theropods in that they consumed the entire carcass of an animal - bones and all. Most theropod dinosaurs have ziphodont teeth, thin and knife-like, good for cutting muscle from bone. The thick and robust teeth of adult Tyrannosaurs, coupled with their incredible bite force, allowed them to shatter and pulverize bone - even those of the large, formidable herbivores they hunted. Despite the robustness of their teeth, Tyrannosaurs often broke them in the process of biting. It may have been a while before the broken tooth was replaced by a new one, so in the meantime, the broken tooth would continue to accumulate wear. This is one such tooth, a large portion of the tooth was broken off when the animal bit into another dinosaur, and it was still used afterwards for some time before it was replaced. Based on the placement and extension of the carinae to the base of the tooth, and the size, this was an anterior tooth (at the front of the mouth, probably the first dentary tooth) of an adult individual. See Schubert & Ungar (2005) for a discussion on Tyrannosaur tooth wear features (open-access). -
From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
Not the prettiest tooth, but I very much enjoy fossils like this that demonstrate behavior and tell a story. T. rex and other Tyrannosaurs were unusual among theropods in that they consumed the entire carcass of an animal - bones and all. Most theropod dinosaurs have ziphodont teeth, thin and knife-like, good for cutting muscle from bone. The thick and robust teeth of adult Tyrannosaurs, coupled with their incredible bite force, allowed them to shatter and pulverize bone - even those of the large, formidable herbivores they hunted. Despite the robustness of their teeth, Tyrannosaurs often broke them in the process of biting. It may have been a while before the broken tooth was replaced by a new one, so in the meantime, the broken tooth would continue to accumulate wear. This is one such tooth, a large portion of the tooth was broken off when the animal bit into another dinosaur, and it was still used afterwards for some time before it was replaced. Based on the placement and extension of the carinae to the base of the tooth, and the size, this was an anterior tooth (at the front of the mouth, probably the first dentary tooth) of an adult individual. See Schubert & Ungar (2005) for a discussion on Tyrannosaur tooth wear features (open-access). -
I've recently aquired this Tyrannosaurid tooth from a local shop. The shop sold it as Nanotyrannus lancensis. I think the tip has been repaired, but not quite sure that it is worn or repaired. However the tooth does not show the indents on the bottom, which is sometimes to be expected on Nanotyrannus I heard. I was wondering if somebody could take another look for me and share their opinion, about what species this tooth belonged to. Thanks in advance. The tooth was found in the Hell Creek Formation in Montana
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Hello all, looking to get some opinions. 5-6 years ago I came across a ton of fragmented bones while scouting out a new collecting site. One of the first things that really caught my eye was this, lets call it a "claw". Like I said this was among a ton of shattered bone so it kind of stood out right away. I followed the bone fragments more up a very steep hill that turns into a cliff. This led me probably 50-75 feet from the initial sighting of bone to a place that was dangerously steep, but I could see more bone weathering out of the hill. It was in very bad shape and turned out to be a few vertebra. On my way up I also several pieces of what turned out to be a vertebral process. I collected what I could but a lot of it had turned to dust. I could tell there was more but there was almost no feasible way to safely dig. I began to look at what I was able to collect and I started seeing some interesting things. Some of the pieces of vertebra were very porous with large pores and I had found the "claw" at the base of the site. Could it be? Life got in the way, and I was not able to get back out until this year. To my surprise there is still bones weathering out. I found another vertebra in bad shape, and a shattered rib that I was able to reasonably piece together. This came out with minimal excavation and I saw there was more bone exposed at the same level around 6 feet away. It appeared to be another rib or flat bone, but it was in an even more difficult spot. Could these be Tyrannosaurus bones? I will include many more photos soon. Dawson county, MT.
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From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
It's interesting to compare differently-sized teeth of similar positions. These might represent ontogeny or other dental variation (due to multiple species, etc.). -
From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
It's interesting to compare differently-sized teeth of similar positions. These might represent ontogeny or other dental variation (due to multiple species, etc.).-
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A young T. rex tooth. The preservation of the enamel is fantastic, and I like the dark hues. The serrations are also in great shape. There is some minor feeding wear on the tip. -
From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
For most collectors, it's more affordable to have a piece of a T. rex tooth if you just want it represented. This one is clearly T. rex: it's theropod with serrations (this one has the basalmost portion of the mesial carina), very thick, and clearly would've had a large circumference. Note also the large angle made by the curvature of the tooth at the carina (not Nanotyrannus which have narrow, blade-like teeth). -
From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
Sold by the BHI as Nanotyrannus lancensis. However, given the uncertain status of Nanotyrannus' validity, I chose to label it as Tyrannosaurid for now. It is interesting to compare to my other small Tyrannosaur teeth of the same/similar position. The base is clearly more compressed than my baby rex tooth (which is also smaller). -
From the album: Hell Creek / Lance Formations
A Tyrannosaur tooth from Eastern Montana. Given the basal "pinching," this would be Nanotyrannus lancensis if it's valid (otherwise it's T. rex). Interesting to compare it to my other small Tyrannosaur teeth. The tip was probably broken after fossilization, but the gouges on the labial face may be inflicted while the tooth was in use. Note that the enamel is well-preserved with sharply resolved texture and is still clear. -
Tyrannosaurus Rex tooth, a good buy?
heZZ posted a topic in Is It Real? How to Recognize Fossil Fabrications
What do you think about this ? It has some repair done but can you show me where how much. Location: Hell Creek Fm., Powder River Co., Montana
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Here is my new wood grain Tyrannosaurus rex tooth. Found in Hell Creek, South Dakota and just shy over 1'40 inches. I really like the split with the serrations. Makes it extra special for me.
