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Out hunting today, feeling the burn. Primarily I am trying to get a specific ID on a very small lower horse tooth, It has a protostylid, so not Nannippus aztecus. This is about the smallest that I ever find and so I am hopeful @fossillarry will get a chance to comment. I love lots of comments on any thread, so feel free to pile on.. I was finding other nice stuff... a lot of pretty Sand Tigers, a button denticle, very small canines, it was a good day...lots of mosquitoes and horse flies. It started off with this un_erupted enamel "cap" in the 1st sieve.. I have my thoughts but wait for TFF to ID. And finally , I was REALLY estatic about this earbone attached to a good chunk of skull.. Size is 52 x 38 mm... I am thinking , as it dries that it is modern, but still would love to know which animal creates earbones like these. Two year ago in this same location, I was finding similar earbones...Add here just for reference...
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I went hunting yesterday realizing that I would not do it again for at least 10 days. I'll have to avoid withdrawal symptoms. Found many shark teeth , a lot broken. For the most part , they were blue bladed with white roots. The 2 upper Hemis are 34 mm. I am traveling to see my daughter, she likes these colors. After sorting out the teeth and the stuff I should have left, here is what's left. I sometimes find these distinctive Tilly bones in MioPliocene environments. A colorful Alligator tooth... and now the 2 that I'll put most of my identification efforts into... A tiny fish jaw, The tips of those teeth almost look to have enamel caps. It might be modern, I do not know. It will give me something to search for in the next 10 days.... In this morning's search, I found: He did not identify the fish that the Kingfisher ate, but those who hunt Bone Valley, know that there are Kingfishers up and down the rivers and streams.... I do not expect to Identify the fish but who knows, the dentition looks somewhat unique... The last one , I do have chances to identify. It is a small , approximately 1 inch square bone with many gorges and plateaus ( we call these facets for connecting with other small bones in the wrists and ankles of mammals). At a little over 1 inch square , this is between the size of a large tridactyl horse and a small Pleistocene llama. Here is a somewhat similar bone, found in 2019 The remaining views, I have 2 puzzles to solve , hopefully with help from TFF, Jack
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Just trying to finish up finds from yesterday... Here are some knowns, A small Meg I love Sand Tigers with cusps like these!!!! A 7 mm Ray denticle A lower left jaw, p2 tooth from Nannippus aztecus, And now the unknown, As the day moved on, I had already found many nice fossils and sat down on the bank for a drink of water and some grapes. Next to me was a pile of gravel discards... I just can not help searching the discards for a few shark teeth the previous hunter might have missed... I saw an interesting 3-sided bone... Posterior view.. Bottom view... Note the "texture" of this bone.... and another view of the front... Measurements are Length 62 mm, width 38 mm, Height 31 mm. I think it is a hoof core and I hope for confirmation. Going out again in the morning. Leaving Tuesday for a week in Maryland... Thanks all comments/suggestions...
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Was out hunting yesterday. At the end, my hunting partner asked if I could ID this bone. Almost immediately I said it was a marine mammal petrosal from a large whale. Now all I had to do was get some TFF whale experts @Boesse @Harry Pristis to agree. Looking around , I found a research paper on a North Carolina pygmy sperm whale with lots of good pictures... While starting to make comparisons, I did not that this PDF petrosal was about 30 mm at its widest points... This petrosal from Florida measures at 56.7 mm at its widest point. I think but am not sure I have all of this petrosal. It might be bigger.. If this is a tooth whale petrosal from Florida, my knowledge is limited to Kogiopsis and Scaldicetus... Obviously there is the size question, but also I am having difficulty matching up my photos with the pictures of Kogiopsis in the PDF.. All comments and suggestions appreciated, Jack EDITED to add a great TFF thread that relates http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/91729-composition-of-whale-teeth/ and a couple of more TFF experts @abyssunder @ynot @Al Dente There are photos of Kogio Petrosals in this thread...
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Today, I hunted for my 3rd time in June.. Once every 3 days is not bad, but I will be traveling North for 3 of the next 5 weeks... It will be more difficult to get out 10 times in June or July, so I make the most of every opportunity. It is also good exercise and I also need that... When I first started hunting, I would occasionally find a P. contortus. They were relatively rare in my sections of the Peace River. Every one I found , I would evaluate as aduncus or contortus. They looked like this and were almost always smaller than the numerous lemon, bull and dusky in the Peace River.. This was one of my best and has some colors. Most shark teeth in the Peace river are black blades with black roots. Also, this one has its serrations. Because it is Miocene Era, contortus teeth are generally worn smooth. x So, along with many other interesting fossils, I found a Physogaleus contortus while hunting today at a site that has more Miocene material than others I frequent. It is a pretty tooth, so I wanted to share.. So this makes me wonder if ALL 3 of the teeth I pictured above are indeed Physogaleus contortus and , if so, why did it take so long for me to meet the robust version of P. contortus? Maybe , in order to grow larger teeth, a shark needed to live longer and grow larger by eating more... and have less competition from Megs, GWs, Makos, Hemis, etc Could be other causes, comments always appreciated,, Jack
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I am looking for opportunities (combo of weather and water depth) to go hunting. Yesterday was one of those days with afternoon Thunderstorms. Got out about an hour early, trying to catch morning sunshine. Having been to this location before, I am expecting mostly marine shark teeth (Megs, Hemis, Dusky/Bull, Sand Tigers), Stingray fossils, Puffer-fish mouth plates and fewer mammal fossils. Expectations were met. Here is what I found... couple of hundred small shark teeth Plus.. usually it is the plus that interests me most... It took a while but I sorted down to this....the stuff I would keep for a while.. A photo of what should be an Alligator tooth: Sharing because of details on internal "rings" and unusual wear pattern.. A nice Ray barb find (for me) ... usually do not find the tips this long. Is this identifiable to species of Ray ? Then a pleasant surprise. I do not find many Bison teeth.... Then a relatively small lower tooth of a Tridactyl horse... At 40 mm, the longest Crown Height I have found in any of the smaller horses. An extra photo for those trying to ID to species and tooth position... Finally, An Equus tooth... This is an odd tooth, Long and THIN... 10.8 mm at its widest point, not much wider than my Nannippus tooth (8.1 mm) above.. Note the Transverse Hunter_Schreger Bands on the root end of this photo below Finally , it seems that the top edge of the chewing surface was "agatized/silicified" but that is now deteriorating....A very interesting tooth.. Mostly the shark and ray fossils came early and the mammal teeth later. The Thunderstorms held off until 1:15 pm, as I was finding the mammal teeth and because of that, had delayed my departure.. 30 minutes of Thunderstorms, heavy rain and flashes of Lightning drove me to cover and away from my shovel... I left after just one more sieve.... All in all, a glorious day with interesting finds...
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Yesterday, I tried to return to the Peace River at the location I hunted Wednesday with my son. As I reached the river, I noted it was 18-20 inches deeper than last time. I would say neck deep, fast currents. http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/134026-a-day-in-the-sun-with-my-son/ It takes me 2 hours to reach the river, so going home was not an option. We decided to check out a creek, which would have lower water depths. Found marine fauna (shark, ray, urchin, barracuda, fragments of dolphin bone) and one odd bone. I do not find very many G. aduncus. The blade is not curved and lays flat ... Recently, I had found and identified with the help of TFF, an alligator coracoid. It is a shoulder bone. and because I thought there was resemblance to this bone, searched for coracoids on the net. Many of the images that came up were avian, but they had very different proximal ends.. Then I saw this picture that @Harry Pristis added to a TFF thread, This seems more like my find... so a very goof possibility that it is turtle. @digit has turtle knowledge. Let's see what he thinks... The location seems dominated by Miopliocene marine fauna but there are lots of turtles that could drop a bone in the intervening eons....I always try to learn something new.. with each new find... The knowledge builds up over time.
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Back on April 25th, I was hunting and found a Humerus of a Green Sea Turtle from the Pliocene. We finally figured it out in this post... My hunting partner found another Humerus on the same day, and at the time I thought based on size that it was dolphin. He stopped trying to ID it and gave the humerus to me. Some things I can tell you.. It is not dolphin, alligator, manatee, Sea Turtle... I have already looked and do not mind any one checking to make sure... The only break seems to be in this last photo, but that is where the "knob", if it existed would be... I thought this picture of a Dugongid from @Harry Pristis was somewhat similar but nown I would like to see the other side... I also thought of Seal... has some similarities, but differences also... I'll leave it there, with the hope that some member has seen and identified a similar bone.. Jack
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Having just gone thru the effort of identifying a Chelonia Sea Turtle Humerus, but I looked at a Humerus for a Giant Tortoise and it did not seem to match.. So others might have seen this previously. Seems distinctive enough... @digit
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I had to stay home today, We had some water damage and workers are scheduled to replace the floor in my Study, Fossil Collection room... and I had to clean it out, probably take 3 days... Going was slow because I kept on finding great stuff in nooks and crannies. Some of these may have been posted before, but not many.. The 3 on the left are likely river dolphin. All have similar enamel rugosity. Tooth #2 is 34.5 mm. The 4th tooth might be a true dolphin.... the Harbor dolphin.. These are pretty rare. I'll need @Boesse not only for these 4, but a small Bulla down below... I do NOT think those are serrations on the 2nd photo, just a ragged edge to a break... 5th tooth is an incisor..Given the location it is possibly the lower left incisor of Hemiauchenia gracilis. 6th tooth is 33 mm. I do not know.... It is kind of unusual ... it has a bulging root, slanting enamel with a Carina... looking for suggestions. I added the last canine, even though i strongly think it is raccoon, which also has a Carina, but it is not the same as tooth #6. So much for Canines, How about a dolphin bulla? This is is 30 mm and in great shape. I am hoping Bobby can ID... @Meganeura I think you have been seeing lots of claws and unguals lately, How about this one? Somehow when I found this, I never IDed it... When I younger and going out back to back days, I would frequently toss into ziplocs, and not get to take photos...
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A couple of beat up teeth. Just seeing if there is anything identifiable. @fossillarry @Meganeura Both cannot be lower right, the one below should be IDed as lower left.
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Went Hunting Tuesday, Opened a thread "Some finds" to discuss some of the more interesting finds to me. I had some additional finds and would like help in identifying them. They are harder than the initial set. Sorted out small shark teeth, ray teeth, etc... There are a couple of distressed Tridactyl horse teeth on the right, a shark vert so fragile it broke on discovery and also again after... First is a bone. When I saw it , I thought it was a Rhino metatarsal. It is not, but I have never seen this bone previously and that is pretty rare. That "slot" on the bone in the last photo is natural. The bone density and porosity reminds me of marine mammal... @Boesse The 2nd find is a dolphin tooth.... I found a similar small dolphin tooth at this location last June and trying to confirm (or not) that this is likely the same species. Third is a possible claw, I am wondering Armadillo, and we can always consider raptor. Bottom: Side: 4th, How about these small 13 mm rostral teeth? Are they Pristis .sp? They seem different from what I have normally found in the Peace River. Thanks for any and all comments, and responses. Jack
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Out with friends, going to a Miocene site that always is challenging for me to go and return. It is a Miocene site because the large majority of fauna found live during that era. It did not disappoint. I started in the 1st sieve with a Meg, somewhat distressed and puncture marks from a bite during a feeding frenzy... Note the 3 bite marks on the lower edge. This is my 4th such Meg There were many finds but one certainly rarer in the Peace River than Megs is a lower Mako in good shape, with a lighting strike on the labial side.. This is my 3rd of this size in 15 years. So, what about the request for Identifications. Here is one... This Dolphin Tooth has not been identified for Florida.... and certainly not for species.. Last time I found it , we discussed Harry's GREAT picture that is the best identification out there for teeth that look like this....If someone has a good research paper on Kentriodontidae teeth that matches these two teeth I have found, please point me to it... Here is my previous version: Here was a thread that asked for an ID on a similar tooth from Maryland, but the ID was "Dolphin" tooth... So finally, something to ID.. To show how my luck was holding, I went over to a pile of discard rocks from a previous hunter of this site . Unbelievably this was sitting on top... I have never seen one like this... Th first photo seems 3/4 Stingray denticle and 1/4 trilobite. I have plenty of these that are flat on the bottom, and found 2 or 3 today. But this is unusual for me in Florida. Is this shape common in Maryland or North Carolina ? It almost looks like a druzy or silification in the center of this last photo.. Thanks for looking.
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Hello all! Thanks to you guys I am posting less in the ID forum. This one has me stumped. I'm sure it will be easy for you. I found it near our property in Nocatee this weekend. Side question how big do hemi teeth get? What would be considered a "big" one? Thanks again!
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I went out hunting yesterday. It seems to me that Florida is in a drought and that water level are so low that they preclude the use of kayaks. So I decided to walk into the backwoods of Florida... pack as light as possible and carry a cellphone and lots of water. Walking takes up digging time and my results were few. A couple of small makos, 2 horse teeth, 2 gator teeth, a tapir cap, fish skull cap, a chunk of gator/tapir jaw with alveoli but no teeth, and a handful of small shark teeth. Two items encouraged me to post today. On my walk, I happened to spot a paw print. I had a small knife and a tire iron, so felt I was prepared for any eventuality. 6 months ago , I put up a 3 inch paw print that had claws and it was identified as a coyote that wandered under my house. This paw print seems bigger... This is the tire iron, distance between the bend and narrow part about 7 inches, if I subtract an inch from each side .... about 5 inches. This is the paw print any suggestions on what animal made the print appreciated. When only finding a few fossil, I search the sieve longer. I noted some thing about this fragment that makes me think it is a canine. Now, I do not think we'll be able to Identify but, this changes some of my mind on what the inside of a Canine might look like.... It can have an open core, like gator , whale , etc... It can have different layers, cementum, enamel, dentin I picked it up, because I thought I saw serrations inside the tooth...Look at that last photo below. What is that layer ...how crazy is that ? Crazy enough to want to discuss with you... maybe others can share odd things inside broken canine teeth
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I have not been out hunting enough, which has me looking at old TFF threads. I posted this canine 5 years ago in FosslID , but did not get much feedback and it faded without me learning much about it. Originally, I thought Alligator, because of the hollow root. but it did not have a horizontal edge between enamel and root, and the root was not an oval shape. Then I considered Dire wolf, because of the shape of the enamel, and the shaped carina down the side. I wondered at that time if the tooth was unerupted. I have never found/identified a Dire Wolf fossil from this site. Finally, because of the serrations ??, I thought Sabercat. The serrations are not clear, the root is oval... Please tell me what you think it is, and what you think it is not... I'd rather not have another 5 years go by... wondering.
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Finding my favorites, Gomph, a Meg, Tridactyl horse, and a Periotic.. A enjoyable day in the sunshine with friends... The Meg came early but also found some nice Lemons, Tigers, and Sand Tigers. For identification, a couple of small Horse teeth... 1st has been slightly broken, but likely very identifiable. When we talk about the smallest of Florida Horse teeth, this lower must be a candidate. As we were picking thru the final sieves, this Cetacean periotic added excitement. It is the smallest one I have seen.. @Boesse Apologize for the brevity... Wanted to add this thread before cleanup and sleep... Jack
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Some more items that I found last Sunday with out with @DirtyHippie and @jcbshark..Had a few questions... Much of this went into the collection bag, with the view that I would figure it out later... I had previously found many rostral teeth in the Peace River of different types. I only have one bigger than this one. The grove on the bottom identifies the genus as Pristis and I thought it was P. lathami. What's confusing me is that P. lathami seems restricted to Eocene/Oligocene but I have found many in the Peace River. So my question is what species of Sawfish possesses this tooth. I also found the 1/2 Sawfish vert, which I previously believed to be P. lathami. I added to the photo a P. lathami Vert that I found years back in the Peace River for comparison purposes. I'm just a little confused about the age of the Sawfish fossils I found last Sunday.... There is another oddity in this last photo... That 1st photo made me think Echinoid... Is this an Echinoid.. I have found pieces and a very few whole) Sand Dollars in the Peace River... never one of these. I guess it might be a Tillybone. Curious. Please let me know what you think.. Jack
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I found this bone hunting with @DirtyHippie. It seemed Odd in that we were primarily finding marine material (shark, marine mammal, dugong) in a PlioMiocene layer. I immediately thought Pleistocene calcaneum, tossed into my collection bag and continued hunting. After looking at it for a couple of hours, checking out Ulna, Radioulna for many mammals, I have decided to request help. The broken bone is 83 x 20 x 17 mm... about 3.25 inches long
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You are probably aware that @DirtyHippie came to Brownsville, found an extremely productive likely Miocene location and promptly invited a number of TFF members to join in the excitement. You can read about it and see many of the finds here.. http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/129917-peace-river-tributaries-part-ii-hemi-heaven-continued/ I joined last Sunday and managed to find a dolphin Bulla that @Boesse identified as Eurhinodelphis. In his trip report, Brian had 9 Dolphin and I am interested in seeing if I can track down, possible IDs... In this case, I am asking TFF experts familiar with Dolphin fossils in Calvert Cliffs or Lee Creek to comment on finding or not finding similar looking teeth. I'm using Brian's group shot posted in the thread above So , the first... I found something similar, not as pretty... #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 These teeth are all approximately the same size 30 to 50 mm. I realize that I am reaching with somewhat minimal info. I am looking for leads... If you can ID a tooth, GREAT, but if not tell me if anything similar occurs in your hunting areas... I am looking for Genus rather than species on a few or many. None of us are sure that #4 is a tooth... @hemipristis @siteseer @sixgill pete @Harry Pristis @Al Dente
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Found land site. Wondering if it's possible to tell the species of whale? Thanks!
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Went hunting Thursday. Found a couple of Megs, some small horse teeth, dermal denticles, barracuda teeth, and a bunch of small shark teeth *(Sand Tigers, Bull.Dusky, Hemis, Lemons). The only Horse tooth in decent shape is a lower right cheek tooth. Mostly, I find Nannippus, either aztecus or less frequently westoni. Here is a recent aztecus for comparison to this new find. The new tooth: @fossillarry
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I was out today hunting with friends. Little shark teeth, a couple of small Megs, a couple of barracuda teeth and then this... I have never seen anything like it, close on 15 years hunting these locales. I can hope other have. It seems to be enamel. Can it be a tooth ?, a tilly bone, ... a fragment of tusk... Speculations absolutely encouraged !!!! In this last photo, I find those "bumps" around 15 mm interesting. The outside texture on both sides reminds me of whale or maybe gomph. What is this ?
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Another bone valley ID - read this thread and I’m pretty sure it’s an ectocuneiform and not a Magnum or navicular. Measures 30x19x6.5mm. @Harry Pristis @Shellseeker @fossillarry
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My last time out hunting was 2 weeks ago, just before the deluge. Found some nice items including 2 small upper horse teeth, and then stopped at a hunting friend's home, where he sold me a number of fossils, including 4 additional small horse upper molars. 1st tooth I believe to be Merychippus from the Miocene of Florida. I found/donated one of these to Richard Hulbert, Florida Museum of Natural History 18 months ago. It looks like some HSBs --- Hunter_Schreger Bands are more easily discernible than on Equus teeth. Tooth #2.... One of my finds... a Nannippus I think... there were 4-5 species in Florida Tooth #3 Another Nannippus.... little bit larger... Look at that isolated circle on the left ... I wonder if that is diagnostic. Tooth # 4 is once again larger... might be Nannippus, but I am less sure.... Tooth #5 is not Nannippus,, which leaves lots of other Genus and lastly an interesting , different and slightly damaged tooth... Definitely need a thread to follow on this one... I have sent the Photos to Richard Hulbert, but with his semi_retirement, I would like to start depending on TFF expertise.... Usual suspects, @Harry Pristis, @fossillarry @siteseer @darrow Thanks for any and all insights and threads to follow... as Always I am after Genus, Species, Jaw position. All this starts with Genus.
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