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  1. Hi everyone! I acquired this on my recent trip to Tucson (first time at that show, hoping to make it a regular trip!). The seller didn't remember much about it having apparently acquired it himself a really long time ago from someone else who had gotten it decades earlier, with any information including proximity lost along the way. After showing it off at a recent fossil club meeting, several people suggested it could be a Platybelodon from the Miocene of China. It makes sense after doing some research but I'm hoping to get a second opinion in case there's something else it could be. It measures just over 15 cm across. Any insight is appreciated as always!
  2. I acquired a ?juvenile gomphothere jaw supposedly from a coal mine in Poland. I wondered if anyone would be able to identify the associated fossils in the coal deposits. I assume they won't be identifiable due to the incompleteness and lack of site information but I hope to be surprised. There's numerous subcentimeter gastropod shells and there's several linear leaf impressions on the back.
  3. Has there been any latest word on the systematics of gomphotheriine gomphotheres from North America? As far as I know, Shoshani et al. (2006) list Serridentinus as separate from Gomphotherium in their cladistic analysis of Eritreum, and I've also read that the Gomphotherium from New Mexico could represent multiple species (Heckert et al. 2000), and that Lambert and Shoshani list some North American gomphotheres synonymized with Gomphotherium by Tobien (1973) as distinct from Gomphotherium (e.g. Gnathabelodon, Eubelodon, Megabelodon). Heckert, A.B., S.G. Lucas and G.S. Morgan (2000). Specimens of Gomphotherium in the New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science and the Species-Level Taxonomy of North American Gomphotherium. In: New Mexico's Fossil Record 2, Lucas, S.G. (ed.). New Mexico Museum of Nature and Science, Bulletin Number 16. Lambert, W. D., and J. Shoshani, 1998. The Proboscidea. In Janis, C., K. M. Scott, and L. Jacobs (eds.), Evolution of Tertiary Mammals of North America, Volume 1. Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK. J. Shoshani, R. C. Walter, M. Abraha, S. Berhe, P. Tassy, W. J. Sanders, G. H. Marchant, Y. Libsekal, T. Ghirmai and D. Zinner. 2006. A proboscidean from the late Oligocene of Eritrea, a ‘‘missing link’’ between early Elephantiformes and Elephantimorpha, and biogeographic implications. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 103(46):17296-17301
  4. I purchased this gomphothere tooth recently. It definitely looks gomph and not mastodon, but I know literally nothing else about it. The American seller didn't know anything about its location either. It looks similar to some Chinese sinomastodon teeth I've seen, but otherwise I'm at a loss.
  5. Graveyard of Extinct Elephants From 5 Million Years Ago Found in Florida by Brandon Gird, Pensacola News Journal, May 26, 2023 Extinct elephant fossils discovered in Levy County https://www.wcjb.com/2023/05/27/extinct-elephant-fossils-discovered-levy-county/ Yours, Paul H.
  6. TheCreekendWarrior

    The Creekend Warrior Collection

    Been at it for about a year now and I try to hit the creeks at least twice/month if I can help it. The "loose" pics are either newer finds that haven't made their way into the display yet, or finds that have their own display. Most of these were rescued from the Gainesville area. Some are from the Peace River & Joshua Creek, as well as Manasota, Caspersen, Venice & Fort Clinch beaches. I was also lucky enough to discover a previously unknown spot VERY close to home, while scouting one day! Dr. Hulbert (w/ UF) confirmed it is a new spot, but was reluctant to check it out as none of my initial finds were extinct species... I have since found horse teeth at that location and can't wait for water levels to go back down!!! Hoping to add a few new species to my collection on my upcoming trip to GMR & one of the Summerville creeks (not sure which one yet but would love to find my first Angi & GW)... the GW in my pics was actually found by my Grandfather in Panama in the 70s! Thanks for looking : )
  7. Brandy Cole

    Proboscidean Tusk?

    When I first decided to picked this piece up I thought it was just an interesting looking chunk of petrified wood, but when I grabbed it, it felt and looked weirdly light and fragile. I pulled it out of the bag for cleanup today and noticed what looked like faint schreger lines. Pictures in the daylight made the lines look clearer, though it's hard for me to make out exactly how they run.
  8. Today @PFOOLEY and I went behind the scenes at the NMMNH&S. Thanks to Dr. Spencer G. Lucas for letting us in and showing us some amazing specimens. We started with some heteromorphs... ....donated from Utah There were other ammonites... We then ventured into the other room full of goodies... ...this Parasaurolophus.. See it? Some plant fossils... I am super thrilled to have had this opportunity to see these amazing specimens up close. I wish I could share all of the photos but there are a lot! I hope you enjoy... Dr. Lucas was also kind enough to give me these bulletins...I have a lot of reading to do! Salúd!
  9. Harry Pristis

    Gomphothere Teeth

    From the album: TEETH & JAWS

    This is a pair of gomphothere (elephant) teeth from the Late Miocene - Early Pliocene Palmetto Fauna. They were recovered from a phosphate mine. The Taxonomy from Hulbert (2001) is: Parvorder PROBOSCIDEA . . . . . . . . . . Superfamily ELEPHANTOIDEA . . . . . . . . Family GOMPHOTHERIIDAE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Subfamily GOMPHOTHERIINAE . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Tribe GOMPHOTHERIINI . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Gomphotherium simplicidens (Osborn, 1923)

    © Harry Pristis 2009

  10. Brondonh

    It doesn't look like a tusk

    Im not sure what this is and would like some help figuring it out. It was found in Manatee county, FL where a new lake was being dug up. I did find half of a Gomphothere molar very close to it, but I also found anything from whale, meg, mammoth, sloth, horse, turtle etc. All around it. It's kinda flakey in some areas, but doesn't appear to be enamel. It has a flat surface and round... Maybe a mandible?? IDK
  11. Brandy Cole

    Partial Gomphothere Molar?

    Had some productive hunting and found this in a gravel bar. I'm hoping I've found my first gomphothere or mastodon tooth! Or at least a part of one. I've looked at several threads about differentiating them, but I still had a hard time identifying this for certain. Am I headed in the right direction or could it be something else? It does look smaller than I would have expected. Any help is greatly appreciated.
  12. J.D.

    Gomp maybe?

    Hi, All! My name is JD. I am from Pittsburgh, PA. Was visiting Edisto last year and found this weird fossil. Have been struggling to ID. This was my first fossil hunt since I was a kid living in Beaufort. P.S. I did properly report this to SC and was properly licensed Can anyone tell me what this is?
  13. Le Quoc

    Is this Gomphotherium?

    Hello everyone, I have been offered this tooth by one guy. He said this is Gomphotherium. Because I don't have any knowledge about this so can you help me to identify the tooth is actually Gomphotherium or not (I know that there are some ancient elephant from Germany also). Is this a suitable price to get this piece? Thanks for your help!
  14. At a location, where there is a possibility of finding Miocene fossils, I found this fossil molar. Initially, we considered whether or not it was a Bear_dog molar, but as we left for home, I brought up the possibility of Gomphothere. Prior to sending it to Richard Hulbert for identification, I had searched the internet and believed it looked somewhat like the few examples of Gomphothere milk teeth I could find, including one from the Montbrook site. I note that this tooth at 22 mm APL is at least 30% smaller than any tooth I found for comparison. Richard confirmed that the tooth is Proboscidean, either Mastodon or Gomphothere, but stated that a determination could not be made based on a single tooth. I am ok with the label. A mastodon milk tooth at 22 mm is rare, a Gomphothere milk tooth at 22 mm is very rare. One of those once in a lifetime finds that I am pleased to share with my friends on TFF. Jack
  15. DVL

    Proboscidean Tooth?

    Hi All- This was found in a creek bed in Northern NJ (not Big Brook). 3 1/4 inches long. Bedrock is early Jurassic but a mastodon or mammoth tusk was found a few miles away (I assume Pleistocene material could be found just about anywhere?). It resembles some teeth I've found online (mastodon and gomphothere). Interesting crystal structure. Thank you- Dwight
  16. Flaffy

    Proboscidean tooth?

    Hi! I'm having trouble ID-ing this ~4.4cm long mammal tooth from China. It was labelled as Playbelodon, though the lack of cusps makes me doubt that assessment. I'm starting to wonder if it's a Proboscidean at all, and if it's an entirely different family of mammal alltogether. Does anyone have an idea on what this could potentially be?
  17. As the title says, I bought this tooth fragment last year from a retailer who I know has been wrong in identifying fossils before (I corrected them on hippo species). I know it's not much to go on, but do you think mastodon or gomphothere?
  18. Jim Kovalchick

    Possible gomphothere tooth fragment

    I found this partial tooth at Myrtle Beach today. I think worn gomphothere, but having never handled one I'm not sure.
  19. This is a tooth fragment I'm thinking of buying, and it's advertised as gomphothere. But it also looks mastodon to me. Thoughts?
  20. Tammy and I have been volunteering at the Montbrook dig site in north-central Florida every Wednesday and Saturday for a while. We're part of a small group of local volunteer diggers who've been able to dig the site during the pandemic. We have a maximum of 6 people at the site with 4 volunteers (aka retired people who'd rather not golf or watch daytime TV) and 2 from the museum. Over the last couple of weeks we've worked to take out several gomphothere bones that have turned up in the grid squares that we've been working. Two Saturdays ago we started the jacket on the remaining part of a gomphothere pelvis (the flat ilium was jacketed and removed separately where there was a break in the bone during preservation). It was not dried enough by the end of the day to take that large and heavy jacket out by the end of the day. Some additional plastered burlap was added around the base to make sure the jacket would properly contain the contents when flipped. In addition to the residual gomph pelvis there was what looked to be a really nice alligator skull directly underneath the pelvis which made for a very tall jacket that was also very heavy. With limited crew we flipped that big jacket into the cargo net and (in stages, with rest between) lugged it up out of the pit and into the back of the museum van. While clearing the area around the gomph/gator cluster so we could encase it in plaster I came across the end (femoral head) of a gomphothere femur. It was toward the end of the day and there was much sand above the bone so it had to wait for another day. We had other obligations this last Saturday and so we could not volunteer that day. Someone in the group digging that day was working down the level of the grid square that the bone looked to be extending into. They didn't get too far as they were distracted by a rhino jaw that happened to be hiding in there. I had been sitting directly on top of it on my previous visit and had actually dropped the level of that 1m x 1m square by about 20 cm (~8"). Had I dug a bit more I would likely have hit the rhino material. This preparatory digging before an interesting find we've dubbed "pre-discovering" a fossil. With the rhino jaw jacketed and removed we were in position to continue to reduce the level of the sand/clay in the squares around the gomphothere femur. All that was showing when I first happened upon it was the rounded ball of the femoral head and the bulge of bone known as the greater trochanter which serves as an attachment for many leg muscles. We were wondering at which angle the rest of the bone (should it be present) would appear and at what level--the laminated layers of sand and clay dip at a pretty steep slope and bones usually follow the layers. Tammy spent the early part of the morning digging down from the opposite (distal) end of where the femur should end trying to gauge its length and orientation. When she was coming up with mostly sand she switched tactics to following the bone shaft down from the hip to see where it was leading. I spent the morning taking an adjacent square down about 30 cm (~1') to level out the area in which we were working. Because the layers dip down in this direction (to the east) the sand I was digging in was above the area in which all the interesting fossils started to appear. Occasionally, while digging in sterile sand an odd isolated fossil will turn up. Absolutely none did in this grid square. I was able to remove about 30 of the large plastic kitty litter pails of sand without being bothered with any pesky fossils getting in my way. Once I had my corner square dropped to an appropriate level I started lowering the level of the adjacent square. By this time Tammy had followed the femur to the opposite end. Unfortunately, the preservation on the distal end was not nearly as solid and was instead rather punky--a preservation we've dubbed "pudding bone" which is as problematic as it sounds. This end will require quite a bit of consolidation with the plastic B72 dissolved in acetone to make a stabilizing glue. In the left image above, you can see the rounded ball of the femoral head peeking out between Tammy's right hand (with stylish orange glove) and the bright yellow cat litter pail. You can get a better view of the femoral head and the greater trochanter below it on the left edge of the bone as well as the extent to the more crumbly distal end in the right image above. At this point we knew the size and orientation of this bone and had started to remove higher material around the vicinity so we'd have room to jacket it and flip it over when removing. I started working down the higher corner visible in front of Tammy to the left edge of the left image above. This was still mostly soft (and very easy to dig) sugar sand with some thinner clay layers and chunks of orangish clay nodules. While lowering this area and making room so we could start trenching around the bone to make a nice pedestal for the jacket I found my first fossil of the day. Digging most of the day in sterile layers is necessary work but often does not result in a full bone bag at the end of the day. I've dug many days when no label for my disused bone bag had to be written up. I'd been digging since 10:00am and it was now around 3:45pm (we clean-up and leave at 4:00pm) so it was a little late in the day to be uncovering my first find of the day. This one was worth the wait though as I spotted the gleam of orange that can sometimes herald good news. Of course, 99 times out of 100 the orange is just one of those sticky clay nodules that get dug out and tossed on the spoil pile with the rest of the sand. This one was a faintly different shade of orange and indicates mammal tooth (for some reason mammalian tooth enamel often preserves as a dull orange at this site). The orange was on a small clump that freed itself while I was digging through the loose sugar sand. Closer inspection with a dental pick revealed the gleam of enamel and not sticky iron rich clay! A little water from the hose was able to soften the sandy clay around it and my first (and only) find of the day turned out to be a really sweet and absolutely tiny baby gomphothere molar. This one got slipped into a protective vial that we use for more delicate specimens and was padded with bit of tissue. While trying to finish up a bit more of the trench I was digging around the femur I hit some more bone right at the corner of the 4 grid squares which we mark with little orange wire flags. At this point it was really too late to do more work on prepping this for jacketing and that task would fall on anyone working the area Thursday or Friday. If nobody ends up working that square before Saturday then Tammy and I will be back to complete trenching so we have a pedestal that we can jacket. With the end of the day's digging rapidly approaching we protected the exposed bone with some empty sandbags till the next time it receives some attention. You can see below the squares I was working as my mild OCD drives me to leave my work area with sharp crisp walls and corners and flattened bases. Only 1 bone in my bone bag--but I'm quite happy with that. Cheers. -Ken
  21. LynH

    Proboscidea foot bone?

    ID help appreciated. Found diving near Venice Beach, Florida.
  22. Shellseeker

    A 2nd look

    Fossils with questions are tossed in a special bucket for thinking about when hunting opportunities start drying up. That time has come. Here a couple: The question: Mastodon or Gomph; I have found Gomph fragments in this location. Another 2 inch fossil, that I almost threw away!! Laying in the sieve, I thought it was unidentifiable bone, but then noted the odd ends. So Bone or Tooth .... If you decided tooth for this 2nd one, you might check out the fossils in this old thread!!! Thanks for all responses.
  23. JarrodB

    Mastodon or Gomphothere?

    Mastodon or Gomphothere? Northeast Texas North Sulphur River area find.
  24. AJ Plai

    Gomphothere molar tooth (TBC)

    From the album: Mammal Fossils Collection

    Asian Gomphothere Molar Tooth (TBC) Geological Age: Miocene (11-16 MYA) Locality: Khorat Plateau, Thailand
  25. AJ Plai

    Gomphothere molar tooth (TBC)

    From the album: Mammal Fossils Collection

    Asian Gomphothere Molar Tooth (TBC) Geological Age: Miocene (11-16 MYA) Locality: Khorat Plateau, Thailand
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