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Hi all! Newbie here. Just starting out collecting. I saw this tooth for sale but seller does not appear to know exactly what it is. What I can say is its from Judith River and 3/4 inches longs. It looks to me like a dromeosaur tooth from the guides I found on here but figured it never hurts to ask! Thanks for any help. cretaceous-judith-river-theropod-tooth-5a.jpg.webp cretaceous-judith-river-theropod-tooth-5.jpg.webp cretaceous-judith-river-theropod-tooth-5d.jpg.webp cretaceous-judith-river-theropod-tooth-5c.jpg.webp cretaceous-judith-river-theropod-tooth-5b.jpg.webp
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Saurornitholestes langstoni Judith River Fm., Fergus Co., MT, USA ~ 9 mm crown height This tooth has wear facets at the tip/apex.- 1 comment
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This is my first attempt at getting a Dromeosaurus albertensis tooth from Judith River fm. I've largely been avoiding buying dromeosaurids like the plague that aren't Acheroraptor or Saurornitholestes. Provenance: Hill County, Montana The tooth is repaired, and I had to realigned it while restabilizing it with butvar. The tooth doesn't seem to perfectly fit together, or too much butvar ended up in-between. There does not appear to be any serrations on the mesial edge, and it doesn't appear to have any trace of serrations, at least not that I can see with a macroscope. I don't think it's Saurornitholestes sp. due to the serrations not having the distinct hooked shape. I'm not 100% sure whether or not it's Tyrannosauridae indet., but I don't think it is, but the robust dromeosaurids are supposedly very similar at first glances. Any help or clues is appreciated. If any pictures are insufficient, I can try and take better photographs.
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Anyone can find restoration? (Tyrannosaurid indet tooth)
TeethCollector posted a topic in Is It Real? How to Recognize Fossil Fabrications
I saw a tooth of an Tyrannosaurid Indet. The price looks good and the size is 3.3 inches including the repaired lower end. The seller told that this is from Judith River Formation, Northern Montana, and No restoration. Can anyone find any evidence of restoration? I can't find any... And.. this is another one from the same seller. This is also Tyrannosaurid indet, and from JRF.
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Why Dino Collectors need to have Material Verified
Troodon posted a topic in Is It Real? How to Recognize Fossil Fabrications
I urge caution to all collectors buying or trading from dealers, diggers or fellow collectors. Most collectors, diggers or dealers are honest and trustworthy but not all have a firm handle on identification and I'm seeing this situation worsening not improving. Its not easy even for paleontologists who are trained. I include collectors because like myself, have over the years, been sold misidentified material. So dont trust anything you see offered to you and get it verified. Here is just a sampling of a few items I've run across. Provenance is very important in identification ALWAYS request Formation, State or Province and very important County or Town if in the States or City/Area if Alberta. I see lots of genus/species names being assigned to Ceratopsian or Hadrosaurian bones. Other than Edmontosaurus from the Hell Creek or Lance formations its extremely difficult to assign names to any post cranial material from these families. There are just to many named or yet to be named species from Campanian deposits of formations like Aguja of Texas and the Judith River & Two Med Formations of Montana not to mention Canada. Theropod teeth especially Jurassic ones are very hard to distinguish between one another, photos are just not adequate to validate them. Serration counts and dimensions are needed to try to properly assign them. So request it from the seller. Some real life examples: Very nice Metatarsal listed as a Lambeosaurus from the Hell Creek Fm, Jordan, Montana. Species does not even exist in the HC. Its Edmontosaurus This beautiful vertebra is being listed as a caudal of a Carcharodontosaurus sp., a great collector piece. The description states that the ball and socket indicated how far the tail could swing. Unfortunately the seller is looking at the wrong end of the dinosaur. To me it looks like a cervical vertebra of a Spinosaurid. I did advise the seller a few days ago and he did say a change would be made and the listing has been corrected. Here is a photo of a Sigilmassasaurus for you skeptics This type of tooth from the Kem Kem is an indeterminate Abelisaurid not a RAPTOR, not a Dromaeosaur, not a Deltadromeus Very nice femur being listed as Pachycephalosaurus, its Thescelosaurus .. Very nice rooted tooth being listed as Torosaurus, its a Ceratopsian tooth. There is no way to distinguish Torosaurus teeth from all the other large bodied ceratopsian in the Hell Creek Fm other that if it was found with an identifiable skull. This claw was sold as Troodon from the Judith River, to me it looks like Caenagnathidae This is being listed as a first phalange Toe bone of a tyrannosaur Daspletosaurus. Its a metatarsal of an indeterminate Tyrannosaurid either Daspletosaurus or Gorgosaurus. Unless it was found with some Daspleto diagnostic material, difficult to tell them apart. Seller was advised a long time ago, no changes made. A Daspletosaurus tooth is listed from the Judith River Fm...beautiful tooth but one cannot distinguish teeth between teeth of Tyrannosaurids and Daspletosaurus sp. although assumed to be present its yet to be described from JR deposits
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Dimensions: CH = 41 mm CWB = 10 mm CBL = 16 mm MC = 18 denticles/5 mm DC = 14 denticles/5 mm DSDI = 1.29
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Hi I decided to make a post about my main research project right now on Campanian Tyrannosaurs specifically Daspletosaurus. Today I have found something to tell teeth from the Judith River Formation and Dinosaur Park Formation. This could also do with the Tyrannosaurs prey or locality. I found out that Judith River Formation Tyrannosaur teeth serrations are more circular and more round compared to the same time Dinosaur Park Formation Tyrannosaur teeth serrations. The Dinosaur Park Formation Tyrannosaur teeth serrations are more longer skinner and more chiseled like but not like other Tyrannosaur teeth from other areas like T. rex’s teeth serrations. Certain Tyrannosaurs in different areas and times would/could of had unique serration morphology probably dew to there prey. I did this on multiple teeth from the Judith River Formation and Dinosaur Park Formation to strengthen my hypothesis. Any opinions on this topic would be great. I will post more on my research here on this and other topics on the Tyrannosaur/Daspletosaurus. I have been doing research on this Daspletosaurus from the Dinosaur Park Formation and it’s close relatives because it was the first dinosaur fossil I’ve ever found. I’ve liked fossils and dinosaurs since I was 2 but in 2018 I went to Alberta and found my first dinosaur fossil which was a fossil from the Dinosaur Park Formation Daspletosaurus sp. Thats why I have been researching on this topic. The serrations I found on Dinosaur Park Formation Tyrannosaur teeth. The serrations I found on Judith River Formation Tyrannosaur teeth.
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This topic is for information purposes of an experience I just encountered when looking at a Tyrannosaurid tooth on an auction site. You often see me request additional locality information when trying to ID a dinosaur tooth. I'm always concerned that the sellers provenance is not specific enough when it comes to material from Montana or Alberta to verify that the Formation provided is correct since it affects identification. Here is a good example of one case that paid off. In this case what was being offered for sale was several listings of Albertosaurus teeth from the Judith River Fm of Montana. I really liked the quality and color of the teeth so I followed up on one of them. I already knew the ID was wrong since no Albertosaurs have yet to be described from Montana so I needed to verify locality/formation.. Also the color was not typical of teeth from the JRF, a red flag. So I asked the seller about a locality beyond Montana and he immediately replied that the JRF was North Central Montana. I replied that I knew where the JRF was located but needed to understand where the tooth was found Town or County. He had to contact the digger and within a reasonable amount of time got back with me that it was Pondera County. Thats Two Medicine Fm different group of Dinosaurs. BTW seller was very helpful with no intention to deceive. Bottom line is that you need to do the best you can to verify what is being offered since you did not collect it yourself. Don't assume the ID or Formation provided is correct...Verify, verify as best as possible. Always request a town/county to be included in a provenance. If you can post interest here on the forum. Here is the tooth.
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I bought this tyrannosaur tooth a while back and it says it’s a albertosaurus, gorgosaurus, or daspletosaurus. Is there anyway to narrow it down any further? It says it was found in the Judith river formation of eastern Montana and it measures just over an inch. Any and all help is appreciated.
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Hello everybody So I got this small tooth from Hill County, Montana, Judith River Formation, labeled as a Theropod indet. tooth. Length is just around 0.5 inches. CM as seen in the pictures. Any hope for an ID beyond Theropod indet? Thx!
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I was going to wait until tomorrow night to post the 3rd tooth but i got around to taking some pictures and measurements now so here is Unidentified Theropod Tooth #3. Judith River Formation Hill County Montana Crown height 15 mm ( broken base ) Serration count 17 per 5 mm distal 20 per 5 mm mesial I do not see a twist in the mesial carina This tooth is more compressed than the other two teeth the first being dromaeosaurus. Saurornitholestes perhaps?? @Troodon
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This is the second unidentified theropod tooth i just recently received. This tooth has a broken tip and its missing most of the mesial serrations. These are the measurements i observed followed by pictures for your own assessment. TOOTH 2 JUDITH RIVER FORMATION HILL COUNTY MT Crown height 12 mm ( missing tip ) Distal serrations are 3 per mm Mesial are 4 per mm There looks like there is a twist in the mesial carina Dromaeosaurus/Tyrannosaur?? @Troodon
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Whats up everyone!? So i just received 3 new " Unidentified Theropod " teeth . I will be posting 1 a night for the next 3 nights. All of these teeth were found in the Judith River Formation in Hill County Montana. Heres Tooth #1 Judith River Formation Hill County MT CH 16.5 mm 14 serrations per 5 mm on the distal side of the tooth 17.5 serrations on the mesial side of the tooth Twist present on the mesial carina My thoughts - Dromaeosaurus Albertensis..... Tell me what you all think? @Troodon
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Hi just got these two fossils today! And was wondering did I get it right on saying this Daspletosaurus tooth was a mesial tooth? Also i called it a Daspletosaurus because it’s DSDI was over 1.2 and I think it’s a mesial tooth. In the photo it’s beside my smaller Judith River Tyrannosaur indet tooth. Also is it possible to tell what this dinosaur finger bone is? Thank you! dinosaur finger bone
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Two Daspletosaurus species present in the Judith River Formation?
dinosaur man posted a topic in Questions & Answers
Hi I heard there are two Judith River Formation Daspletosaur species, an earlier one and older, is this true? Because the Daspletosaurus specimen Sir William being an older species from 79 to 77.5 mya and possibly D.torosus, D.honeri or another new species being the younger Daspletosaur species from 77.5 to 75 mya. Or is it just one Daspletosaurus in the Formation? -
I just got this and it will be arriving soon, It will be my largest dinosaur tooth yet once It comes. It’s a Tyrannosaur indet for now and it’s from the Judith River Formation. Just wanted to share this. I wanted to share more information compared to my other topic.
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Hi, i recently received this from a collector, it looks like bone but i'm not sure, he told me it's from the Judith River formation, Hill county, Montana. Thanks
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Next tooth up is a "unidentified theropod " tooth from the judith river formation in eastern MT....its CH 8 mm....it has 13 serrations per 3 mm on the posterior of the tooth and 16 per 3 mm on the anterior.......some of the pictures youll see what looks to be ribs on the side of the tooth, i thought zapsalis at first but i dont see the posterior as having a straight edge .....let me know what u all think after viewing the pics! @Troodon
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I just got this tooth in the mail today. It’s a partial tyrannosaur tooth, and it’s from the Judith river formation. I know it was found in Montana, but that’s it for locality. Despite it being partial, it’s approximate 1.25 inches long, and it looks to me like it would have been much larger if complete. I know that Daspletosaurus and Gorgosaurus teeth are indistinguishable, and that you can really only call teeth around 3.5 inches Daspletosaurus. I was wondering if it would be safe to assume that this is a partial Daspletosaurus tooth because the small piece I have is already over an inch, and it looks to me like it could easily have extended an additional 2 inches.
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Hi can anyone tell me what happened, or why this Tyrannosaur tooth looks this way. It looks very odd to me Thank you! it’s from the Judith River formation of Montana, and is 1.2 cm.
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Next up in my collection is this one that was sold to me as a possible saurornitholestes langstoni tooth. From the Judith River Formation in Wheatland Co. MT. CH is 9 mm. Serrations are 15 per 3 mm on the posterior of the tooth and 23 per 3 mm on the anterior of the tooth. @Troodon
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This next tooth in my collection was sold to me as " Unidentified Theropod ". It is from the Judith River Formation in Montana....its CH is 7 mm..its posterior serrations are 16 per 4 mm and its anterior serrations are 19 per 4 mm. what do you guys think it could be from???? @Troodon @fossilsonwheels
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Hey everyone this next tooth in my collection was sold to me as a possible Dromaeosaurus Albertensis from the judith river formation in Hill co Mt. Its size is 5/8"....CH is 16 mm, the anterior serrations are 9 per 2 mm and the posterior serrations are 8 per 2 mm.....again sorry for the finger placement in some of the pics...in trying to get the best shots i can for you all. @Troodon
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Hey everyone, I recently came across these two teeth online. They're both pretty worn down and might no longer possess the features necessary for a more detailed ID, but I'd appreciate your help in confirming that these are actually Hadrosaurid teeth. [images attached are the seller's] Tooth 1 comes from the Judith River Formation of Montana; measuring roughly 9mm [not specified in which direction; I assume depth].  Tooth 2 comes from parts of the Aguja Formation in Western Texas; measuring approximately 13x11mm [not specified along which sides]. Thank you for your help!
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