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  1. Shellseeker

    Carpals

    Was out hunting yesterday, previous post https://www.thefossilforum.com/topic/139901-interesting-finds-peace-river-02282024/ I did not have time last night to go thru everything , and I found 2 Carpals, one known and other needs identification... The known is a camelid (Palaeolama or Hemiauchenia) Carpal , specifically a Scaphoid.. I know because I have found this carpal previously. In the very next sieve , another carpal, but this one I did not recognize. To some extant, it resembles an Equus Magnum, but definitely is not.... It is very high quality, much better than the Scaphoid, but I have checked with camelid Magnum and it seems very different... So with that, here is a Carpal from the Peace River for Identification. This is usually a sweet spot for @Harry Pristis
  2. SawTooth

    Llama phalanx?

    Just got back from Venice (I'll post that report in the next few days, really good trip) and got this nice bone. I'm confident that it's a phalanx, and from Google I believe it belongs to a llama, due to the length compared to other animals like horses or tortoise. Any thoughts?
  3. johnnyvaldez7.jv

    20231015_000829.jpg

    From the album: MY SE TEXAS FINDS

  4. Shellseeker

    Second September Trip

    I went hunting today. With travel, commitments, but mostly rain, today was only my 2nd fossil hunt this month. I am addicted, and feeling withdrawal symptoms, taking any opportunity. This is one of my favorite locations but it takes a 2 hour drive and a 2 hour kayak paddle to reach it. So I put in 8 hours of travel for 4 hours of hunting. All my low water locations have deep water and are getting deeper.. rain scheduled for most of the next week, Did not find much because I was digging locations I had previously dug but today were in 4-5 feet of fast moving water. Took some quick group shots to give member a sense of what I was finding. Usually only the best shark teeth make the photos, but this 1st photo is every shark tooth I found. I think there is an Aduncus symphyseal in there. What do you think? Here are the non_shark I need to take better photos, but not tonight.. Note what I believe to be a Llama cannon bone , missing both distal and proximal ends.. @Harry Pristis just offered a Llama foot bones sampler that I believe has one of these. I kept it because of the size... it seems small. Some additional photos. One reason I love this spot is the variety of fauna that is possible, both marine and mammal. Enough for tonight, going to sleep..
  5. SawTooth

    Bison/cow tooth?

    Hello, I was fossil hunting a creek in north Florida yesterday and along with finding what I believe is our first meg out of this creek, we found a strange tooth that I believe is bovine or camel. (This is in inches, I couldn't find my tape measure- 1 inch~2 1/2 cm)
  6. PODIGGER

    Hoping to confirm some finds

    I'm seeking confirmation (or not?) on a couple of finds from the Peace River earlier this week. So far my research leads me to believe I have a medial phalanx from a giant armadillo and a lateral malleolar (carpal?) from a Long-legged Llama. First up is the medial phalanx. Measurement wise I think the Giant Armadillo, Holmesina floridanus, is a good match. The specimen measures: 1" x 3/4" x 5/8" or 25 mm x 20mm x 16mm Next up is the suspected lateral malleolar from a Long-legged Llama, Hemiauchenia macrocephala. The specimen measures: 1 3/8" x 1" x 5/8" or 35mm x 26mm x 20mm Would appreciate any input to confirm or direct me to another possibility on each. Thanks!
  7. Fullux

    Fossil?

    Hi, my friend just sent me pictures of this, compairing it to fossilized teeth I have from ungulates it looks like fossil to me, but I need a second opinion. Found in Kentucky.
  8. Harry Pristis

    camelid proximal phalanges B

    From the album: BONES

    This is the third toe bone of a lamine (that is, related to llamas rather than dromedaries) camelid from the Plio-Pleistocene of Florida. Recovered from a Florida river.

    © Harry Pristis 2022

  9. SawTooth

    Bison?

    I was just checking to make sure, I found this in a dredge in Florida a while back (definitely the best condition mammal from the dredge). Is it bison, or some huge llama, or even cow. Thanks!
  10. Shellseeker

    Another Silicified Seashell

    I found a Silicified Seashell last month and it turned out to be a relative rare silicified version of a pretty common Oyster from 3-4 myas. It is not like I forget interesting locations to hunt , so we returned there yesterday. Lots and Lots of little shark teeth (100s with about 25% unbroken). These all become gifts to someone. My hunting friends, my family, school kids, Paleo museums, etc. Separating those out left this smaller group of interesting fossils.... On the lower right, that was the Only Meg I found and next to it a nice Mayumbensis from the Miocene. A number of chips and broken teeth (I was thinking Rhino on a couple of these fragments) and also Croc trying to pretend to be gator. There were some Armadillo osteoderms and a fossil shaped like an ungual, a couple of bones that would attach to an astragulas, likely deer based on size and then a couple of premolars that @Harry Pristis has tried to ID for me previously. Just enough to keep me interested and digging in the same spot. My hunting friend was finding much the same (lots of little teeth, couple of Megs both in better shape than mine, and he picked up a Llama molar with complete roots. There was quite a bit of agatized material, most of it fragments, or pretty common broken items. Then an unusual silicified seashell, once again an oyster.. It is a 45 x 32 mm oval and the silica is on the "outside", Other photos... Certainly wanted to share these interesting finds, but also wanted to solicit any opinions of how the process happens. Certainly not exactly what I would have imagined.. There is a very slim remaining slice of the original shell in the center of this fossil, with much thicker layer upon layer of silica material laid down on the outside of both sides of the thin shell. It makes me wonder if this process is the same process that created the previous silica seashell, that ended up looking like this....
  11. PODIGGER

    Artiodactyla Confirmation?

    I am hoping for confirmation from one of our Peace River, FL experts on a bone I picked up last week. I am always looking for new land mammal finds (at least new to me) and I think I have one here. After several hours on line and looking through Kocisis' Vertebrate Fossils guide I believe I have nailed this down as a seismoid, lateral malleolar of Hemiauchenia macrocephala. The protruding "point" is quite distinctive. The specimen measures 35mm Long x 17 mm Wide x 28 mm tall. Input from anyone who believes they can confirm the ID would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
  12. Harry Pristis

    camel cervical vertebra

    From the album: BONES

    This is a cervical (neck) vertebra - a C3 or C4 - from a Pleistocene camelid from Gilchrist County, Florida. The species name is uncertain, but lamine (llamas) camels were the dominant species in the Florida Pleistocene. More images at: http://www.thefossil...be/#entry599855

    © -Harry Pristis 2015

  13. PODIGGER

    Peace River ID help

    Finally made it back to the Peace River ,Fl for my first hunt of the season. It was a good day overall. Along with numerous and varied small shark teeth I came up with these two finds that I am hoping for some input on for a positive ID. First up is a piece of ivory that I believe must be Gomphotherium due to the black banding. I considered it might be staining from the river but it looks to uniform and seems to be layered. Next is what I believe to be Artiodactyl in nature. Maybe camel or llama. My hesitation with this ID is the size. I believe it is a partial molar 2 7/8” tall x 1” thick x 3/4” wide. This seems quite large for either camel or llama. I looked at bison but didn’t think the bite surface was a match. Any insights or opinions would be appreciated, Thanks.
  14. Shellseeker

    Tiny Blue Llama Cap

    So I have a tooth that I both wanted to share and provoke some discussion and ask some questions. I believe it to be an enamel Cap ... roots never formed. I suppose that is the 1st question. Llamas need teeth as soon as they are born, so the animal forming this tooth died before birth. Is that a reasonable speculation? I can not detect any crenulations (not sure that they occur on baby teeth) so is this likely Hemiauchenia ? I will attempt to find reading material on how often replaced/how may sets of teeth Llamas have. I will see Richard Hulbert on Thursday and will ask him. This one could be a lower right m1. What do you think? These are normally black, but when I shine a flashlight on them, they seem to reflect "blue". curious. An opportunity to tell me about your baby Llama tooth finds. .
  15. GPayton

    Texas Camel/Llama Teeth?

    Like I said in my last post in this section of the forum about a turtle nuchal element, I've spent some time hunting the Colorado River here in southeastern Texas since my usual go-to spots on the Brazos have been completely submerged for months from all the rain we've been getting this summer. Fortunately, it's paid off with some unusual finds that, if my hunches are correct, aren't anything like what I normally find. These two teeth in particular were found within inches of each other close to the water's edge, however, I don't think they're associated based on the difference in preservation and enamel coloration. My initial guess was bison for the tooth still lodged in a fragment of jawbone, and deer for the other. It wasn't until I started searching for comparison images in Hulbert's excellent Fossil Vertebrates of Florida and on the forum that I realized I was probably wrong. The isolated tooth is (as far as I can tell) much too large to be deer, and the tooth in the jawbone, while superficially resembling bison teeth in the raised enamel on its occlusal surface, is shaped differently from the more common bison teeth that I've gotten ahold of in the past. So my current tentative ID is camelid, either camel or llama. If I'm right, I'd be incredibly excited - I've always been more interested in the more bizarre megafauna that used to live in Texas during the last ice age. I'd be grateful if anyone can be of any help in either confirming or providing new IDs for these two. * The length of the occlusal surface for the second tooth is 2.10 cm.
  16. Shellseeker

    Camel/Llama Small Molar

    Summertime presents challenges and rewards. Usually, you are digging in deeper water, even when you can find gravel. For me, this means 4 to 5 feet. Most times, I can not employ my favorite technique: dig down to whatever is underneath the gravel and spread out from the river bottom. I am basically scraping the top 6 inches of gravel. and thus I am depending on new gravel getting washed downstream by the faster currents. My finds tend to be less diverse and limited in numbers compared to winter hunting. So, 5 osteoderms, 4 Mastodon fragments, 3 mammal earbones, 3 gar scales, a bunch of medium" size shark teeth. But today, I am interested in that tooth, which I believe to be from one of Florida's Camel_llamas. So the tooth: It is quite small at 20 mm APL. A while back, @Harry Pristis indicated that faint crenulations on the enamel would more indicative of Palaeolama than Hemiauchenia. I seem to see faint crenulations. Twisting the tooth to match this comparison: makes me think it is a lower right or upper left molar. and specifically the one that seems most similar to me is the m1. So my net from all this speculation is that this is a slightly beat_up lower right jaw m1 from a Palaeolama mirifica. I am only about 70% sure and reach out to others who might have an alternative analysis or conclusion. Some alternatives: It might be an m3; It might be upper left m1; It might be Hemiauchnia; It might be a large deer tooth. Reinforcing the concept that single tooth identification is difficult. Jack
  17. Back on the Peace River yesterday. Another cool start to the day, 63* F when I launched at 8:00am. Headed back to where I found the camel cuboid last week and found there was still plenty of gravel to sift through. The morning progressed with a couple of nice, if partial, alligator teeth, many small shark teeth (nearly 200 by the end of day) a partial deer tooth and a couple of turtle leg spurs (5 for the day). The afternoon produced a couple of unidentified bones I will have to research and a very nice Llama astragalus - Hemiauchenia macrocephalus. Makes sense after finding the cuboid last week. Wasn't sure what it belonged to when I first pulled it up as I thought it was too small for bison and too large for deer. At 2 1/2" x 1 7/8" x 1 1/2" it fit llama just right in my reference materials. An overall shot of the best of the day: Some closer up photos of the astragalus: The biggest bone of the day is unidentified and I was leaning toward a piece of Giant Tortoise shell, mostly because I can't think of any other candidate. It measures 5 5/8" x 2 5/8" x 2". Can a Tortoise shell be that thick? Another unknown bone that I need to search for came in at 3 1/8" L x 1 1/2" T x 1/2" W, maybe some type of ulna? Did not see another person on the river all day. On the paddle home I took some photos of the ride to show the beauty of the river and the power it has to take down trees along the banks. In the first you can see the downed palm trees along the eroded bank - I always am awed by the cypress tree roots and the patterns they create as they spread (approaching some on the right) - To me there looks to be the carved face of an old man in the photo above. Finally, a couple of shots of some massive old oaks that did not survive the last rainy season - Looking forward to the next hunt!
  18. PODIGGER

    Peace River ID help

    Got out to the Peace River, FL yesterday for another hunt. The water level finally seemed low enough that I would be able to get to my target spot and have a productive day. The only problem was the fact that the sun never came out and I had to quit early due to getting wet and cold with no way to warm up. Luckily I had my emergency dry shirt to change into before I started shivering! I always keep one on board the kayak sealed in a plastic bag. Came up with several of the usual items, horse tooth, partial megs, couple of hemis, turtle and a nice gator tooth. Then I pulled up what I believe are an armadillo scute, camelid incisor and a tiny dolphin tooth. The last three I am posting below for some help and/or confirmation on the ID. First a picture of the best of the day finds - Here is what I believe is the camelid incisor. From prior posts by @digit and @Shellseeker along with comparable pictures from @Harry Pristis I believe this is a large headed llama tooth, Hemiauchenia macrocephala. Both digit and Shellseeker found prior examples that they posted here on the forum along with Harry's pictures - One of @Harry Pristis examples: Next up is a small tooth I believe is dolphin. It is only 20mm long so is dolphin possible? Finally, what I have id'd as an armadillo dermal scute - Any help with confirmation or other possible id's would be appreciated, Thanks!
  19. Rosy Lenz

    Tooth ID? Horse, camel, llama

    I found this along the Satilla River in Southeast Georgia USA. Can anyone help me identify what kind of tooth it is? It is very square in circumference. There are four holes in the bottom. It is fairly straight, not very curved.
  20. Wm.Spillman

    Provenance needed

    A collector/dealer recently donated to our museum a small collection of Pleistocene vertebrate fossils (mostly mammalian) from Florida. Only a few items were labelled, and he could not recall any provenance for some of the material. Even though the material was poorly provenanced, it will make a welcome addition to our comparative collection of Pleistocene vertebrates. Can anyone help me with the provenance for the llama/camel (cf. Hemiauchenia) calcaneum in this phone-camera snapshot? I thought the attached oyster shells might help in narrowing down the possibilities. I was given a verbal location for this specimen (there was no label), but I am skeptical. Thank you!
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