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Found in a creek In Vermillion county Indiana. it’s light and covers the entire length of my hand. Looks to be a joint but I am VERY new to all of this

These fossils were found in Westville, IL (Vermillion County) a long time ago by my great grandfather (the grey/black fossil; he worked in the coal mine), and my dad (the light brown/reddish one; on a slag heap). After reading this Publication Title: Guide to Pennsylvanian fossil plants of Illinois Publication Type: Geoscience Education Series Author: James R. Jennings Year: 1990 and looking at a number of photos for comparison, I am wondering if these are Alethopteris sertii? (other guesses are Neuropteris and Acitheca). At least that is my (un)educated guess after desperately trying to make sense of the Jennings paper. Also, on the first photo within the green box I noticed that the foliage has two different looks to it. Were the individual leaves (?) different or is this a result of the way the plant was fossilized? I appreciate all corrections and additional knowledge/comments on these two fossils. This forum identified a nautiloid I have, and I am so appreciative of the feedback and support you give!

Hello everyone First, thanks for responding to my posts, and sorry they haven't been up to par. I, like most people do appreciate feedback because I learn something sometimes. I'm posting just a few of my finds from this weekend. This time I'm only asking,please, that if you are not 100 percent, don't comment please. I know what I've been finding, my wife seen it first hand today, and I seriously feel that this area hasn't had anything like this. Call me whatever you may wish! There are no other stones but headline stones at my property. A major amount of earth was removed to build up the levee on which our 50 acre lake depends on , if that says anything about the amount of dirt, clay. So, these were found about a mile from the Middle Fork, Salt Fork, and those 2 combined the Vermillion River in Rural Vermillion County. More to come!