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  1. Identification and age of Tooth #2

    This tooth was found on a beach off the channel at South Padre Island. I am a shell and artifact hunter and have been finding fossils of late. I don't really know about fossils and have joined this group to help me learn and identify what I find. I have three fossils that I would love help with identification and I will post separately. Thanks so much!
  2. Identification and age of Tooth

    This tooth was found on a beach off the channel at South Padre Island. I am a shell and artifact hunter and have been finding fossils of late. I don't really know about fossils and have joined this group to help me learn and identify what I find. I have three fossils that I would love help with identification and I will post separately. Thanks so much!
  3. It was a long day, but a good one. I took my kids to 2 museums of sorts today. I drove the 2 hours down to the Waco mammoth site, which is now a National Monument as of 2015. It was cool to see and reasonably nice. It was very clean and neat, maybe just a bit too much so since it is supposed to be an active dig site. They have a very small visitors center combo gift shop, maybe 10 people could be in there at once. There are guided tours maybe every 30 min or so. Our guide was a National Park ranger in uniform. The was one other in uniform and a third not in uniform, who could have been a student. There is a nice paved path through lightly wooded Texas scrub as I call it. The path is good for the handicapped or stroller toting parent. They had little booklets for the junior ranger sorts with pics of plants and other life that may be found along the way, with coloring pages and facts about mammoths. Dogs were allowed on a leash. Just a few yards down the path is a 250 year old Texas live oak tree. I was actually a bit on the disappointed side with it. Part of that is because I’ve been to the South Dakota mammoth site, which is well developed. Those are wooly mammoths though, not the Columbian mammoths we have in Texas, which are considerably larger. The other part that probably had something to do with me being a bit disappointed was that I had expectations of seeing excavated mammoths on display. The dig site has been open and running for over 40 yrs. The initial discovery was made in 1978 by two teens out looking for arrowheads. 23 mammoths were excavated between 1978 to 1997. Per the website "Between 1978 and 1990, the fossil remains of 16 Columbian mammoths were discovered. Their efforts uncovered a nursery herd that appears to have died together in a single natural event. Between 1990 and 1997, six additional mammoths were excavated, including a large male (bull). Crews also uncovered the remains of a Western camel (Camelops hesternus), dwarf antelope, American alligator, giant tortoise, and the tooth of a juvenile saber-toothed cat (Smilodon sp.), which was found next to an unidentified animal." So I had the expectation that at least one of the mammoths would be mounted and on display. I believe many of the mammoths are complete. Our guide, a National Park ranger was very new and didn’t know much. Her answer to where are the bones of the 23+ was “They’re in plaster casts at Baylor.” You’d think after all that time and the big paleontology program they have at Baylor something would have been prepped and put on display by now. This is one of the females that is in the process of excavation, but I have a feeling she has been in the process of excavation since she is one of the 23 and the website says the other 6 were discovered by 1997. So, it seems it is not really an active dig site. You can see her teeth there. Sorry the pic isn't that sharp. The lighting inside was very low. This is mammoth Q a male. Supposedly he died 15,000 years later than the female, but there is all of maybe 2.5 between them vertically and maybe 5 feet horizontally. There is a creek maybe 40 feet way, the Brazos River is less than a mile away and the North Fork Bosque River is on the property. Water moves dirt. I seriously doubt there was 15,000 years between 2.5 feet of dirt in a flood plane, which it is in a flood zone. The mammoth bones are not fully mineralized. They are bone and kind of the consistency of chalk and therefore fairly fragile. I think they said this one would have been 14 feet maybe 7 inches tall. He was an average size male. The males are much bigger than the females. This is Q from the other end. Two females are to the right. Parts of 2 males are in front of him. Not all of them are in the pic. The column in the middle there is the reference column. The top of which is supposedly ground level. So it does not seem the male was that deep down in the dirt. The brakes in the ribs and the crushed skull are believed to have happened at the time of his death. There is a broken rib that healed while the mammoth was still living. That break is circled in red. They believe it was most likely due to a fight between bull mammoths where another male's tusks broke the rib which likely resulted in an infection, which healed. The skull is in the foreground. You can see it is crushed in. These are parts of the 2 other male mammoths. The two leg bones together are believed to be one of the individuals. That is all that has been excavated of him from what I gathered, but the guide said those two bones had been accounted for among the other 22 mammoths. This is another female. She is actually in a natural position and they say that she laid like this, because she knew she was not well or was going to die. Sorry for the quality of the pic. But this is a camel skeleton. The skull is in a plaster cast in the bottom kind of center. Signs say as much as I can. I'll post a bit more in the next post.
  4. More ancient specimens found at mammoth recovery site near Cody Mark Davis, Powell Tribune, Wyoming News Exchange, Aug 29, 2018 https://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/more-ancient-specimens-found-at-mammoth-recovery-site-near-cody/article_aedecb6e-d253-57c4-888c-7e4f0240e15e.html More fossil vertebrates recovered from Buffalo Bill Reservoir http://k2radio.com/scientists-several-more-fossils-found-at-wyoming-reservoir/ Unfortunately, with both articles, a person has to deal with annoying pop-ups and / or advertisements. Yours, Paul H.
  5. Tooth from Ponte Vedra Beach

    I found what looks like a camel tooth on Ponte Vedra Beach, but it's hard to tell from the fossil book I have. Its about half an inch tall (thick).
  6. Multiple IDs Requested

    Beautiful Day. Cold in the morning, but warmed up as the sun came out.. Same with the fossils. Initially , only small shark teeth,, but later (deeper) lots of interesting stuff. 1st, Can we tell by size whether this is Paleolama mirifica or Hemiauchenia macrocephala . Not sure but maybe there was a jaw down there. These seem to be 2 M3s, with exact similar color patterns. A Vertebrae... Dolphin or maybe Armadillo ??? and then this...I know WHAT it is.... a walnut...but it is hard like a rock and clinks!!!! Can a walnut fossilize? Whether or not it is a fossil, what happened to the shell? Just sharing an unusual find? Thanks for any/all comments...
  7. Need help IDing tooth found in NE Iowa!

    I found this tooth in a dry creek bed in NE Iowa. The area I found it in is unique due to the fact that even though it is surrounded by farmland, the sheer rock bluffs and rock overhangs cut by the little creek over the centuries made this area unsuitable for farming. Northeast Iowa was apparently missed by many of the ice advances during the Ice Age so the area as a whole has a much older surface geology than found anywhere else in the state. The tooth is between 1 1/16” and 1 3/16” in all measurements. It looks too old to be from a cow though I’m sure they have been in the area since first settled. The closest thing I’ve found myself online is a tooth from a prehistoric camel. Any help IDing it would be much appreciated!
  8. Help me identify this tooth?

    Hello, can anyone identify this tooth? It was bought online and the only information given is that it originates form Florida Thank you!
  9. Is it a hoof?

    Hi Everyone! I found this today digging in an outcropping of the San Mateo formation in Oceanside, California. I have found horse teeth at this site before. Not sure about this one, but I am wondering if it could be a hoof? Any thoughts are greatly appreciated! Thanks
  10. Need some help on a molar? Deer?

    Well Gang, here's the latest unknown I could use some help with. A surface find Manatee County, FL. Likely Plio-Pleistocene in age. It is good sized and just over 1 inch at its widest (2.8cm X 1.5cm) in occlusal view. Can anyone confirm it is or is not deer? Would love to hear the reasoning on how/why. Went thru some of the other Deer/llama ID posts but I'm still unsure. I'd love to have genus if either is possible if its not deer. Let me know if any other measurements/views are needed. Thanks, Chris
  11. Also horse?

    This tooth was found diving off of Venice - we also found this nice, full horse tooth (in the background). The one I'm holding seems so much bigger than a usual horse tooth - could it be from some different mammal?
  12. Eastern NC - Bison Tooth ID Assistance

    I found this in a gravel bed at Greens Mill Run (GMR) Yesterday afternoon. I am thinking it's Bison, but would like confirmation and also assistance with which species and possible age. It's fossilized (tinks like a rock when tapped on a metal shovel) so I want to assume it's not modern but I suppose I cannot rule out the possibility of it being colonial? the range/mix of material at GMR might make this difficult - as I found it with shark teeth and whale bone much like everything else - even horse teeth.
  13. Astragalus of camel, Bovid or ?

    hello all, I found this astragalus bone from Miocene/ Pliocene Siwaliks. i am curious whether it is of camel or of bovid.
  14. SC River Finds

    Hi All, Had a great trip to South Carolina for river diving last weekend. The water was cold, and we had to dry-suit it, but nonetheless, everyone made some incredible finds, and had a great time. I've got three items I'm looking for the forum's expertise and wisdom on. 1. The first six pics are of what I believe to be a Camel Metacarpal, or Metatarsal. It looks to be in very pristine condition, so much so, that when I first found it, I assumed it must be modern and almost didn't bring it up. After returning home and investigating, I learned that it may be Camel, and I was very happily surprised. This just confirms the advice given to me many years ago by a wise veteran: when on the bottom of the river, and your not sure what something is, bag it up. Once back on the boat, you can always throw it back if it's nothing of interest. 2, The next four pics are of four articulated verts in matrix. I have no idea what these are from, they look fishy to me. The matrix is fairly soft. I can remove it with nothing more than a dental pick, and smooth it with a scrubbing pad and water. I intend to remove more of the matrix, but I want to leave enough to keep the articulation stable. 3. The last item appears to be a claw core? ( or a tusk from the newly discovered (by me) very very tiny, miniature Mammoth?)
  15. Foot bone? Deer? Camel?

    Ok gang, I think this bone is mostly complete and probably from someone's foot and am hoping someone can confirm?/narrow it down any further for me. Plio-Pleistocene? Florida. A little under 1 inch in length/approx 25mm. Many Thanks! Regards, Chris
  16. Camelops?

    I believe this is an Ulna from a North American Camel. Picked it up in the Brazos earlier this month before the river rose 34'. I have added a side by side of a horse Ulna to show the size differential. I have not completely eliminated the possibility that it is really big horse. What are your thoughts? Camel? Big horse? other? Thanks for the input.
  17. Pleistocene Bones Nebraska

    From the album Jerry's Really Old Stuff

    Part of a collection of Pleistocene mammal fossils recently acquired. Camelops phalanx, two species horse hooves, Pliocene three toed horse astragalus, Pliocene horse metapodial, horse medial phalanx, bison calcaneum, unidentied hoof and proximal phalanx. Generally these fossils were found in the context of yarmouth inter glacial mid Pleistocene Niobrara River fossil beds though a few are older or somewhat more recent like the bison calcaneum. Age: 200,000 to 600,00 years for yarmouth, 2 to 4 million for Pliocene fossils.
  18. Camel Cannon?

    About a year ago I posted pics of a distal camelid cannon bone. http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/48651-cannon-bone/?hl=camelops Now I think I have the proximal end. This piece measures 5.5 inches long and the widest measurement is 2.75 inches. Is it camel? If so, would the size suggest camelops? Thanks.
  19. Astragalus

    I posted this a long time ago ( I think before TFF crashed, because I can't find the original post). The id came back as bison, but I just started looking at it again. I have been comparing it to Harry Pristis' gallery and I think it looks more like pleistocene camel. It measures about 60mm max length and 40mm max width. Found in the Brazos River. Just wanted to run it by the pros for a second opinion.
  20. Palm beach/Martin county border land finds from the Rancholabrean land mammal age (late Pleistocene)Horse teeth, deer tooth and antler tip, sloth tooth.two types of turtle shell, a camel bone (astragalus) and an unidentified bone on left.
  21. These are a few of the pdf files (and a few Microsoft Word documents) that I've accumulated in my web browsing. MOST of these are hyperlinked to their source. If you want one that is not hyperlinked or if the link isn't working, e-mail me at joegallo1954@gmail.com and I'll be happy to send it to you. Please note that this list will be updated continuously as I find more available resources. All of these files are freely available on the Internet so there should be no copyright issues. Articles with author names in RED are new additions since November 15, 2017. Order Artiodactyla Family Camelidae Subfamily Camelinae Tribe Camelini - Camels Camelini - Africa/Middle East Payne, S. and A. Garrard (1983). Camelus from the Upper Pleistocene of Mount Carmel, Israel. Journal of Archaeological Science, 10. Sen, S. (2010). Camelids do not occur in the late Miocene mammal locality of Çobanpinar, Turkey. Russian J.Theriol., 9(2). van der Made, J., et al. (2002). The first camel from the Upper Miocene of Turkey and the dispersal of camels into the Old World. C.R. Palevol, 1(2002) Camelini - Europe (including Greenland and Siberia) Logvynenko, V.M. (2001). Paracamelus minor (Camelidae, Tylopoda) - A New Camelid Species from the Middle Pliocene of Ukraine. Vestnik zoologii, 35(1). Titov, V.V. (2008). Habitat conditions for Camelus knoblochi and factors in its extinction. Quaternary International, 179. Titov, V.V. (2003). Paracamelus from the Late Pliocene of the Black Sea Region. Advances in Vertebrate Paleontology "Hen to Panta". Titov, V.V. and V.N. Logvynenko (2006). Early Paracamelus (Mammalia, Tylopoda) in Eastern Europe. Acta zoologica cracoviensia, 49A(1-2). Camelini - North America Baskin, J. and R. Thomas (2016). A review of Camelops (Mammalia, Artiodactyla, Camelidae), a giant llama from the Middle and Late Pleistocene (Irvingtonian and Rancholabrean) of North America. Historical Biology, Vol.28, Numbers 1-2. Frison, G.C., et al. (1978). Paleo-Indian Procurement of Camelops in the Northwestern Plains. Quaternary Research, 10. Hay, O.P. (1913). Camels of the Fossil Genus Camelops. Proceedings of the United States National Museum, 46. Haynes, G. and D. Stanford (1984). On the Possible Utilization of Camelops by Early Man in North America. Quaternary Research, 22. Heintzman, P.D., et al. (2015). Genomic Data from Extinct North American Camelops Revise Camel Evolutionary History. Mol.Biol.Evol., Advance access publication. Humpula, J.F., et al. (2007). Investigation of the protein osteocalcin of Camelops hesternus: Sequence, structure and phylogenetic implications. Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, 71. Jass, C.N. and T.E. Allan (2016). Camel fossils from gravel pits near Edmonton and Vauxhall, and a review of the Quaternary camelid record of Alberta. Can.J. Earth Sci., 53(5). Kirkland, H. (1997). Extinct Camel in Oklahoma. Proc.Okla.Acad.Sci., 77. Kirkland, H. (1993). A Complete Tertiary Camel Skull from Roger Mills County: Description and CT Scan.Proc. Okla. Acad. Sci., 73. Matthew, W.D. and J.R. MacDonald (1960). Two New Species of Oxydactylus from the Middle Miocene Rosebud Formation in Western South Dakota. American Museum Novitates, Number 2003. Zazula, G.D., et al. (2016). Osteological assessment of Pleistocene Camelops hesternus (Camelidae: Camelinae: Camelini) from Alaska and Yukon. American Museum Novitates, Number 3866. (19.2MB) Zazula, G.D., et al. (2011). Last interglacial western camel (Camelops hesternus) from eastern Beringia. Quaternary Science Reviews, 30. Tribe Lamini - Llamas, Guanacos, Vicunas and Alpacas Bravo-Cuevas, V.M. and E. Jiménez-Hidalgo (2015). First reported occurrence of Palaeolama mirifica (Camelidae, Lamini) from the Late Pleistocene (Rancholabrean) of Puebla, central Mexico. Boletín de la Sociedad Geológica Mexicana, Vol.67, Number 1. Bravo-Cuevas, V.M., et al. (2012). A small Hemiauchenia from the late Pleistocene of Hidalgo, central Mexico. Acta Palaeontologica Polonica, 57(3). Cartajena, I., P. Lopez, and I. Martinez (2010). New camelid (Artidactyla: Camelidae)record from the late Pleistocene of Calama (Second Region, Chile): a morphological and morphometric discussion. Revista Mexicana de Ciencias Geologicas, Vol.27, Number 2. Feranec, R.S. (2003). Stable isotopes, hypsodonty, and the paleodiet of Hemiauchenia (Mammalia: Camelidae): a morphological specialization creating ecological generalization. Paleobiology, 29(2). Harrison, J.A. (1979). Revision of the Camelinae (Artiodactyla, Tylopoda) and Description of the New Genus Alforjas. The University of Kansas Paleontological Contributions, Paper 95. Marcolino, C.P., et al. (2012). Diet of Palaeolama major (Camelidae) of Bahia, Brazil, inferred from coprolites. Quaternary International, 278. Meachen, J.A. (2005). A New Species of Hemicauchenia (Artiodactyla, Camelidae) from the Late Blancan of Florida. Bull.Fla.Mus.Nat.Hist., 45(4). Meachen, J.A. (2003). A New Species of Hemiauchenia (Camelidae:Lamini) from the Plio-Pleistocene of Florida. Masters Thesis - University of Florida. Mendez, C., D. Jackson and R. Seguel (2011). Equus and Palaeolama Direct 14C Ages at Las Monedas Site, Semiarid North of Chile. CRP, 28. Ruez, D.R. (2005). Earliest Record of Palaeolama (Mammalia,Camelidae) with Comments on "Paleolama" guanajuatensis. Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, 25(3). Salas, R., et al. (2003). The Presence of Plio-Pleistocene Palaeolama sp. (Artiodactyla: Camelidae) on the Southern Coast of Peru. Bull. Inst. fr. etudes andines, 32(2). Scherer, C.S., et al. (2007). Contributions to the Knowledge of Hemiauchenia paradoxa (Artiodactyla,Camelidae) from the Pleistocene of Southern Brazil.Revista Brasileira De Paleontologia, 10(1). Weinstock, J., et al. (2009). 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