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So I was recently going thru some Florida tooth material (Mio/Plio-Pleistocene) from years ago and realized I had lumped a bunch of this stuff in a packet without investigating them too thoroughly. I started to bug Jeff about several and thought I'd see what you all thought as well so I could learn something more from you all. So just 4 teeth for this thread. I was noticing #1's serrations were pretty coarse and well developed and unusual and I was asking about its possibilities and the meg possibility came up. I then found #2 tonight in another bag and it has some similarities to #1. Neither seem very thick/robust or show a bourlette but their serrations are definitely different than most I have seen. #3 has those finer serrations and shape I usually have put into the Carcharhinus ID bucket. Could they all be Carcharhinus? And lastly #4 may be pathological? What say you all? I know messing with single teeth ID's is pushing the envelope but appreciate any thoughts... Here's another view of just # 1 and #2. And lastly #4: Thanks for the help. Regards, Chris

Hi guys! I just uploaded a gallery of modern Carcharhinus upper dentitions: . The images are from my master's thesis (Smith 2015), the full text is available at (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316735477_Species_discrimination_in_Carcharhinus_shark_teeth_using_elliptic_Fourier_analysis). Unfortunately, due to file size limitations, the images in the paper are not really good enough for detailed analysis of the morphology. So I have uploaded them individually here. I personally extracted the teeth from almost all of these jaws...If I remember correctly, they were soaked in isopropyl alcohol for several days and then the teeth removed with toothpicks and/or just pulling them out with my fingers. I cut up my fingers too many times to count trying to get these suckers out! Only the upper dentition is included; the bottom teeth in Carcharhinus are very same-y so we just focused on the uppers. Keep in mind, these represent only twelve species out of over thirty described species. They are biased towards species today present in the Western Atlantic/Gulf of Mexico. Five species now present in the Western Atlantic/Gulf of Mexico were not included due to lack of specimens/time: C. altimus, C. galapagensis, C. perezi, C. porosus, and C. signatus. Other Carcharhinus dentitions are available on the net. J-elasmo has some, I believe mostly collected from near Japan: http://naka.na.coocan.jp/JAWCarcharhinidae.html. They generally match well with my dentitions, although their Silky (C. falciformis) dentition is more coarsely serrated at the tips than mine, and the lateral notch, which is prominent in my specimens, is basically absent in the J-elasmo dentition. And of course there is Elasmo.com, a great resource for all sharks, not just Carcharhinus. Their C. falciformis dentition is similar to mine, so I don't know what's going on with J-elasmo's dentition, either it's mislabeled or Silky teeth look a lot different in the western Pacific. Or it's just an unusual specimen. And of course there are a bunch of papers online with Carcharhinus teeth, although these are generally isolated fossil teeth. The single best resource I could find for Carcharhinus identication based on teeth is unfortunately difficult to obtain, and would probably require an interlibrary loan request: Garrick, J. A. F. (1982). Sharks of the genus Carcharhinus. US Dep. Commer. NOAA Tech. Rep. NMFS Circular, 445, 194. His shark teeth images are illustrations, but well done, and with a lot of descriptive information. Purdy et al. (2001) is also a good reference:(https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284595551_The_Neogene_sharks_rays_and_bony_fishes_from_Lee_Creek_Mine_Aurora_North_Carolina). You can find references to several papers related to fossil Carcharhinus, as well as a general overview of their fossil record, in my thesis. Finally, I'm attaching a figure from my thesis, illustrating the morphological terminology used: C. falciformis, upper right jaw, 5th position from symphysis. Feel free to add additional references or information about the genus Carcharhinus. Or if anything is incorrect in this post. The subject of fossil Carcharhinus tooth identification comes up fairly regularly in the forums, so let's try and stick as much information in here as possible!

Hello Everyone, I've been busy with the kayak and doing some hiking to boot. Funny thing is .. you never know what you are going to just walk right up on sitting pretty after a low tide falls away. 3 mile-ish hike there and back with three miles of paddling .... (this guy was lying in the middle of it) Probably has been buried under the soft sand waiting just beneath the surface. Just shy of 6 inches I love it .. warts and all. In situ ... In hand .. Some really great Carcharhinus teeth lately ... they haven't been jet black either which is a nice change. I've got a few that I haven't scanned yet but they were almost white .. some with caramel colors. My favorite finds so far. 'cuspidata' ? ... Pliocene perhaps ... ? I'm never quite sure with these. Mastodon molar bit .... The weather has been particularly nice lately with a swift breeze and lower humidity. It can literally feel like a desert out there. Hot as heck ! Not everyone survives ..... Cheers, Brett

Good Evening Everyone, I have a few teeth (4) from the Eocene/Miocene of Florida .... Suwannee River. (1) Carcharhinus sp. (2) Hemipristis serra (1) Isurus desori (i believe) The hemi is probably the largest I own but trades are fun. I'm mostly looking for if possible a tooth or two (?) in trade .. not really that picky .. except that they have color,marbling,scarring,staining of some sort. Doesn't really have to be a 'shark' tooth either ... I know that sounds specific but I've been exploring color and irregularities in the teeth. Mother nature's art-form so to speak. If any of this sounds interesting lets chat. International is fine too .... Cheers, Brett

Hi everyone! I just wanted to share my master's thesis with the community, I think it may be of interest to some. The basic idea was to apply morphometric methods to isolated modern Carcharhinus shark teeth, and see how well they could identify the teeth to species. 3 specimens each from 12 species had their teeth extracted and photographed. The tooth images may be helpful if you're trying to identify Carcharhinus teeth. I don't know when I'll ever get around to publishing the paper in a journal, and it's already accessible online at Tulane University, so I decided to just post it on researchgate. Here is the url, I'm also attaching it to this post: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316735477_Species_discrimination_in_Carcharhinus_shark_teeth_using_elliptic_Fourier_analysis Let me know if you have any questions! I'm now working on micropaleontology and palynology, so my memory is a bit rusty. If anyone wants a more high resolution version of the dentition images just let me know. Vann Smith Species Discrimination in Carcharhinus Shark Teeth.pdf

Carcharhinus macloti, the Hardnose shark is one of the most common small Carcharhinus species at Lee Creek from the Pungo River.

Okay I have 2 small Carcharhinus teeth from Lee Creek here. The first I am sure is Carcharhinus macloti. The shoulders have multiple cusplets and the blade is non-serrated. On the labial side of the tooth the enamel stops at the root. The second tooth has multiple cusplets on the shoulders and on the labial side the enamel is rolled up on the root, as in falciformis. However falciformis has a serrated main blade, and the blade on this tooth is also non-serrate. Is this also C. macloti, with "extra" enamel? Or possibly a juvenile C. falciformis with undeveloped serrations?