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Hey there! I'm sorry its been so long since I've posted on here but suffice it to say I need your help. I'm planning a six to seven day fossil hunting trip in Pennsylvania (sometime in mid august) and I need your help verifying that the sites I've picked to visit from Robert Beards guide Rock Hounding Pennsylvania are still accessible to collecting as well as coverable given my time frame. The places I'm looking at hunting are sites 27. Beltzville State Park (Outcrops on shoreline), 28. Lehighton, Lehigh Canal (Former borrow pit and outcrop),30. Deer Lake (Borrow Pit), 33. Suedberg (Outcrop in former borrow pit), 35. Centralia (Former strip mine outcrop), 38. Rockville (Former quarry), 48. Walker Lake (Hillside and unpaved road), 51. PPL Montour Preserve (Hillside, Former borrow pit), 57. Uniontown (Former quarry). Any insights as to whether or not theses sites are still accessible to collecting, weather our not you believe covering all these sites within 6 to 7 days is possible, and any other tips and tidbits of information on the sites, and or planning a large trip like this etc, would be greatly appreciated! When I go I'm planning to take notes and pictures and then, when i get back, write a few essays illustrated with pics that I will post on here! Thank you in advance, Glenn aka Fossil123
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From the album Ordovician
Crinoid stem pieces Middle Ordovician Verulam Formation James Dick Quarry Brechin, Ontario -
Help planning large fossil trip in Pennsylvania
Fossil123 posted a topic in General Fossil Discussion
(Note: this was originally posted under fossil trips) Hey there! I'm sorry its been so long since I've posted on here but suffice it to say I need your help. I'm planning a six to seven day fossil hunting trip in Pennsylvania (sometime in mid august) and I need your help verifying that the sites I've picked to visit from Robert Beards guide Rock Hounding Pennsylvania are still accessible to collecting as well as coverable given my time frame. The places I'm looking at hunting are sites 27. Beltzville State Park (Outcrops on shoreline), 28. Lehighton, Lehigh Canal (Former borrow pit and outcrop),30. Deer Lake (Borrow Pit), 33. Suedberg (Outcrop in former borrow pit), 35. Centralia (Former strip mine outcrop), 38. Rockville (Former quarry), 48. Walker Lake (Hillside and unpaved road), 51. PPL Montour Preserve (Hillside, Former borrow pit), 57. Uniontown (Former quarry). Any insights as to whether or not theses sites are still accessible to collecting, weather our not you believe covering all these sites within 6 to 7 days is possible, and any other tips and tidbits of information on the sites, and or planning a large trip like this etc, would be greatly appreciated! When I go I'm planning to take notes and pictures and then, when i get back, write a few essays illustrated with pics that I will post on here! Thank you in advance, and thank you to Fossil-Hound for directing me on were to properly post this! Glenn aka Fossil123 -
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Brechin, Ontario with Malcolm and the New York Paleontological Society
Jeffrey P posted a topic in Fossil Hunting Trips
The weekend of June 24th and 25th I participated in an outing with the New York Paleontological Society led by my friend, Ray McKinney to Brechin, Ontario. TFF Member Malcolm led our group into the James Dick quarry where both Bobycaygeon and Verulam Formations are exposed. These are Middle Ordovician from the Trenton Group and contain a wide variety of invertebrate fossil fauna. Also met other TFF members Kevin (Northern Sharks) and Joe (crinus). Most of the quarry is the Bobycaygeon and the very top is the Verulam- only accessible near the entrance, but I got some excellent well preserved matrix plates from there. I spent the second day combing the spoil piles. This first picture is Lake Simco by Beaverton where we stayed. Malcolm in the middle, explaining the quarry geology to NY Paleontological Society members.- 19 replies
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I recently chiseled this piece out of a Mississippian road cut exposure in north Tn, Fort Payne Formation, with a generous assist from TFF member @Herb. I apologize for lack of proper scale, measuring approximately 6cm x 7cm x 5cm x 10cm. I used a dremel, soaking, and scrapping method to remove as much of the hard limestone, but cannot remove the rest as the dremel bounces off the solid crinoid hash remaining. I am having difficulty with identifying where this would fit on the crinoid unless it is something similar to the proximal stem and branching arms shown on the illustrated figure by Ausich, W., Brett, C., Hess, H., & Simms, M. (1999). Crinoid form and function. Fossil Crinoids. http://paleoinver.materias.gl.fcen.uba.ar/index.php/download_file/view/106/129/ I appreciate the help! Thank you, Leah Bottom Front (for reference) Side Top
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I while back I acquired a collection of fossils,minerals, and rocks. They were apparently found at an estate sale before being bought and sold online, hence the prices on the labels (not what I paid for them). It was rather large and confusing, but I managed to figure a lot of it out. One bag, however, has crinoid and blastoid stems and calyxs (calyxi? Calyxese?) and six labels, none attached to the specimens. I was wonder if y'all could help me sort them out, because I'm confused. A few of the labels are just "crinoid stems", is it possible to get a better ID on them? I can take more pictures if needed.
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Here's a crinoid I found the other day in the Menard Limestone (Chesterian series). I'm not so sure of what genus it may belong to.
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Five inch long crinoid stem from Madison County, New York
Jeffrey P posted a gallery image in Members Gallery
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From the album Middle Devonian
Crinoid species? (5 inch stem piece) Middle Devonian Moscow Formation Windom Shale Hamilton Group Deep Springs Road quarry Lebanon, NY. By far the longest crinoid stem I've seen and collected from central New York. Matrix was weathered and unstable. Fossil was removed in eight pieces and reassembled. -
From the album WhodamanHD's Fossil collection.
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A TFF Gathering in an Upstate New York Middle Devonian Paradise
Jeffrey P posted a topic in Fossil Hunting Trips
Yesterday was a planned get together of TFF member friends at one of my favorite Middle Devonian localities- Deep Springs Road in Madison County southwest of Hamilton. It is the easternmost exposure of the Moscow Formation and the Windom Shale- the same formation exposed at Penn Dixie- but a very different faunal content. Biodiversity is the primary feature of this site and this outing added to an already long species list. This trip was actually a long time in planning. Frank (frank8147), a long time collector in New Jersey's Cretaceous streams, had been expressing to me a desire to visit Upstate New York and try his hand at Paleozoic collecting. He told me he and his girlfriend were planning a trip and once we were able to set a date- which was right on the heels of my own trip to Germany, I decided to invite a few other TFF friends. Tim (fossildude19), Dave (Darktooth), Diane (Mediospirifer), Dom (Dsailor), and Tony (njfossilhunter) were able to make it. Tony and I drove up together. Thanks Tony for all of that driving. Dom and Frank were new to the site. Tim and Dave brought family members and a good time was had by all. A rain shower in the middle of the afternoon drove some away, Diane and her husband, Tony, and I remained and I made most of my best finds late in the day. Here's a few pics: Here is (left to right) Dave, Tim, Tony, and Dave's older son.- 75 replies
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Trying to get someone to lead my wife and I in the right direction for a good day of fossil hunting. We live in the Knoxville/Oak Ridge area of East Tennessee. Any directions to good sites would be greatly appreciated. Any good prospects in our area? Thanks guys!!
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Two questions here, what are general things to look for when deciding whether a fossil is fake or real? Guidance asked for especially when it comes to Moroccan imports, and mosasaur anything, crinoids, and trilobites, as well as pleistocene mammal fossils. The latter question, is there any massive list of information sort of like an identification guide for fossils? I saw this massive list fruitbat had and its very impressive and I shall put it to use, but i feel it's almost a little bit beyond me at certain times, is there any just general all encompassing guide to identification?
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This may be a long shot, but here are a couple of crinoids I picked up at a roadcut near St. Louis. They aren't in the best condition, but they were a nice surprise. The roadcut exposes a portion of the Valmeyeran series (Mississippian).
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Hey Guys, family member are going to meet up at Sodus Point, NY for an outing during June 7 thru June 11. Sodus Point is located on Lake Ontario east of Rochester. Although I know of some fossil hunting locations in upper NY, they are all located around Buffalo. I would like to take my 5 year old niece out on a fossil hunting excursion. She is well on her way to being a rock nut and wants to be the first paleontologist on Mars. Love it. If any of you guys know of some productive sites that would be kid friendly and would be willing to share the location(s) it would be greatly appreciated. If you'd like PM me. I am aware of the Penn Dixie site, but that may be too far to go. Thanks )s
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I found several mixed pieces last weekend while out in southwest Virginia; bits that had tumbled down the hillside and into the road. This was along a road that follows the Holston River, in mostly limestone/shale. One piece was filled with crinoids (stems), from tiny to pencil diameter; one had meshy bryozoan pieces and brachiopods, then there was the piece that had this. Please bear with me, I've looked online, and in my books, but since I have no idea what I'm looking for, it complicates things, and I want to learn. In both examples, the coral-looking chamber/pore sections are alongside the mesh/bryozoan-looking sections, so I'm not even sure if I'm looking for one, or two separate, organisms. I'm sure whatever it is, it's probably very common in this area, but if someone could help ID it so I'll know next time, or at least point me in the direction of what I need to research, I'd be grateful. Thank you!
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Last week, after checking the weather wunderground numerous times, I decided to drive 3.5 hours from Chicago to St. Paul Stone Quarry. It was the last "open house" day according to the ESCONI website. I arrived at 7:45, the first and only person there. Shortly thereafter, after a brief safety instruction, I followed the manager to the collecting site, heaps and heaps of Waldron shale. Even though I dressed in layers, I still had to take breaks and warm up in the car for a few minutes, but I much rather prefer collecting in cold weather as opposed to hot summer sun with mosquitoes, any day. It didn't take too long to start finding fossils. Here are just a few of my finds: Eospirifer Platystrophia brachiopods with pyrite Platyceras niagarense encrusted with strophomenid, bryozoa and pyrite. front: back: Partial Dalmanitid Trilobite in matrix When prepping, it's really wonderful how the waldron "butter" shale just crumbles apart around the predictable morphology of an enrolled trilobite. The trip just wouldn't seem complete without a short drive east to the Cincinnati Arch roadcuts. I first went to South Gate and found a flexicalymene eroding right out of the cut. It is interesting to see the comparisons here. The trilobite on the left is from St Paul (Silurian) and has beautiful pyritized eyes. The one on the right is from South Gate (Ordovician). Both trilobites have 21 articulated segments; does this make them both the same age as "adults"? Interesting to note the difference in size, being 40 million years apart, same species.. Thanks for looking!
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Hi everyone, I've no exact location for this crinoid fossils, only just to say they are from the UK. Although there is some obvious crystal on the reverse and around the side if that's any help. Any additional help will be gladly received.
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Went out to one of my favorite roadside collecting spots shortly after I moved back to the Altoona, Blair County, PA, USA area. Cold, drizzly day but a bad day of rockhounding beats the best day of work! Here's a pic of a cleaned sample (approx. 3inx4in) of Crinoidal limestone (Shriver Formation - late Surilian/early Devonian). I've included a link {http://fcopg.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/68th2003.pdf } to a detailed description of the site. Hopefully this spring I'll be able to figure out where the trilobites are hiding.
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sLast weekend I took a four day trip to Kentucky to see family; parents, sister, brother-in-law, and nephew. While there arranged to get together with Herb from the Forum to collect Mississippian Age fossils which I hadn't done before. There are no fossiliferous Mississippian Age deposits in New York and the nearest are in Western Pennsylvania hours away, so this looked like a good opportunity to add some marine fossils from that age to my collection. Fortunately where my family lives is in an area of marine Mississippian deposits. On the way to our rendezvous with Herb in E-Town (Elizabethtown) my nephew and I stopped at a road cut in Leitchfield that he knew about and had seen other collectors collecting at. Fossils were eroding out of the hillside by the score and could be picked up right off the ground free of the matrix. Collected a number crinoid stems, bryozoans, and small brachiopods. After an hour, we continued on to our meet up with Herb. My nephew had already met Herb at a collecting site. We continued on to another road cut collecting site about forty minutes away. Again, fossils were eroding out of the hillside and could be picked right up free of the matrix. Prior to this I had no blastoids in my collection but in just an hour and a half I'd collected fifteen plus more brachiopods, crinoid stems, and some more bryozoan specimens. We then returned to the first place in Leitchfield where my nephew and I visited earlier. Found more specimens including a number of crinoid calyxes, a couple blastoids, and a few more brachiopods and bryozoans. I'll have to study to learn the IDs of these specimens. All in all a great day and Herb was wonderful to collect with and very generous and knowledgeable besides. Hope we get to do this again next year. Oh, and by the way, the family visit went well too.
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here is my latest and best easy set up. LG phone, 2 clamp lights by LIFE GEAR. ABOUT $6.00 EACH. FOSSIL HASH STONE Crinoids. Local landscape gravel. unedited. OTT Lite from a thrift store new in box. Bob
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New project I'm working on prepping. I grabbed this plate from Penn Dixie earlier in the season, and it's just loaded with bits of all different things. I've taken it on as a long term projects to prep out this section as best as possible exposing as much as possible. I don't have an actual before photo, because I didn't think it was worth photographing until I started playing with it. I will keep updates as I go!
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I have what I think are somewhat technical questions for those more knowledgeable than myself. Wandering the wonderland that is the Wilson Clay Pits of central Texas, you tend to run across numerous examples of these fossils... The above photo shows only one side of the spines. The other side is smooth... In the University of Texas Bulletin #2132 Stratigraphy of the Pennsylvanian Formations of North-Central Texas (1921), Plummer and Moore have them identified as Hydreionocrinus sp. spines. So, for my first question, is Hydreionocrinus still a valid genus? If not, what is the new name? While I knew that they were spines, I have been confused by the placement on the animal itself. I had seen reconstructions of Delocrinus sp. with the spines radiating from the top of the cup. But these looked different. I then stumbled across a paper from the Ohio Journal of Science called TEGMEN ROOF OF PLAXOCRINUS MOORSI (WHITFIELD) by J.J. Burke. He describes very similar plate spines on the tegmen roof of the anal sac of Plaxocrinus sp. Below is the figure in his paper that caught my attention. So, I tried a quick sketch of what I thought Hydreionocrinus might look like. Am I correct in assuming the spines are located at the tip of the anal sac? I'm guessing that the textured plate surface is attached to the sac. Is there a complete Hydreionocrinus calyx that I could look at (I'm kinda visually minded...)? I'm sure the drawing is out of proportion. I was drawing from memory and imagination more than anything. It could be a crinoid chimaera... Your comments are welcome and appreciated...
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The Indiana State Museum has an impressive collection of Hoosier fossils, a lot of crinoids as one would expect, and it is worth your time if you are in Indianapolis. The museum is downtown and very pleasant, with other museums and restaurants nearby. I wrote a blog entry about it that includes photos: http://www.americangeode.com/blog/fossil-collection-indiana-state-museum/
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Devonian Crinoid Anchor Holdfasts from Turbotsville, PA.
Jeffrey P posted a gallery image in Members Gallery
From the album Middle Devonian
Ancyrocrinus sp. (anchor-shaped crinoid holdfasts) Middle Devonian Mahantango Formation Swopes farm Turbotsville, PA.
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