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Found 20 results

  1. Exotic Megalodon Dealers

    Hi everyone, I've been looking for a Megalodon from one of the more exotic localities in Asia. The problem is, most of the dealers I know stick to those originating from the United States. I've found some on various auction sites, but I don't wish to get into that because I'm not very experienced in spotting fakes and reconstructions. I would be more interested in someone who you've had fruitful dealings with. If anyone could PM me suggestions for dealers to contact regarding teeth from these localities, I would appreciate it. Thank you, Shayan
  2. Dalatias licha Java

    From the album Odd and Rare Shark Teeth

    Kitefin shark tooth from North Central Java, Indonesia. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene in age. This is the only Dalatias tooth I have personally seen/heard of from this locality.
  3. Dalatias licha Java

    From the album Odd and Rare Shark Teeth

    Kitefin shark tooth from North Central Java, Indonesia. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene in age. This is the only Dalatias tooth I have personally seen/heard of from this locality.
  4. Sphyrna mokarran Java

    From the album Cenozoic Sharks

    Great Hammerhead tooth from North Central Java. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene.
  5. Sphyrna mokarran Java

    From the album Cenozoic Sharks

    Great Hammerhead tooth from North Central Java. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene.
  6. Galeocerdo cuvier Java

    From the album Cenozoic Sharks

    Large (Almost 1 1/4”) North Central Java Tiger Shark tooth. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene. Love the coloration on this tooth; truly one-of-a-kind.
  7. Galeocerdo cuvier Java

    From the album Cenozoic Sharks

    Large (Almost 1 1/4”) North Central Java Tiger Shark tooth. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene. Love the coloration on this tooth; truly one-of-a-kind.
  8. Monster Carcharhinus leucas Java

    From the album Cenozoic Sharks

    Massive (approx. 1 1/4”) Bull Shark tooth from North Central Java. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene in age. Really intricate coloration on this tooth.
  9. Monster Carcharhinus leucas Java

    From the album Cenozoic Sharks

    Massive (approx. 1 1/4”) Bull Shark tooth from North Central Java. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene in age. Really intricate coloration on this tooth.
  10. Glyphis gangeticus Java

    From the album Cenozoic Sharks

    Large (almost 1 1/4”) Ganges River Shark tooth from North Central Java. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene. Photos don’t do this tooth’s coloration justice.
  11. Glyphis gangeticus Java

    From the album Cenozoic Sharks

    Large (almost 1 1/4”) Ganges River Shark tooth from North Central Java. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene. Photos don’t do this tooth’s coloration justice.
  12. Since this forum is often visited by new collectors. Note: intention for this post is not to hurt resellers, but caveat emptor: The market is currently flooded with megalodon teeth from West Java! Although the first specimens started to pop on the market already about 2 years ago or earlier, anyone nowadays still telling you megs from West Java are rare, is joking. It has become clear! There are millions of meg teeth in Indo-Australian archipelago, and the simple fact that they have been generally overlooked by collectors and resellers in the past decades and years, doesn't make Java teeth any rarer. Deposits in west and central Java, where megalodon teeth are found, range from middle miocene to early pliocene and it seems megs are found in at least 3 or 4 different layers/formations, in different preservations and colors. We often see descriptions praising the glossy enamel and fantastic colors and many resellers are probably stocking up. But careful: As always, use paypal! Colors change and the vibrant tones fade away when these teeth are exposed to UV and dry out in our climate (Indonesia has a very high % of humidity). Location is not rare and Indonesian megs will be probably just as common in your future collections as SC or FL megs, or perhaps even more due to the droping prices, even in 5" size and over. Even the price of all megs in general might drop, unless supply changes and that usually doesn't happen "over night" (nor because the deposits with millions of teeth would stop producing)... When it comes to the pricing of megs, quality and all tiny details matters - it's the high end collectors and resellers who are pushing up the prices and low supply vs. demand. That said, there's a flood of new teeth comming into the market and as much as resellers are trying to praise the overall nice enamel condition and rarity - the teeth are nice, but 95% of the teeth from Indonesia comming into the market now, have root pitting and eroded roots, covered by matrix - difficult to notice in some photos, you might not tell the matrix covering the holes from the root, especially if you are buying your first tooth and expect the root is just a little "dirty" or covered. It's usually not just sediment over the root, but depends on the area and layers where teeth were found. Often the acid dissolved/eroded roots are also carved from matrix (sandstone naturally filling the broken or eroded parts) and broken/eroded areas sometimes restored, covered up with matrix, to resell for a higher price. Keep in mind, these teeth typically change at least 2 or 3 "hands" before they get to you and the price might not reflect the condition. Even if you think you are looking at the real root or a natural fossil tooth, double check - if you can't see the root texture, often what you think is root, might be just sandstone matrix covering the eroded real root below or no root at all. Or just sandstone matrix shaped like root. Unfortunatelly, not many resellers, not even in USA, will point out the root issues, but will try to present the "flaws" as nice as possible - often the tooth is cleaned, eroded root smoothed with a fine grit sandpaper and buffing, and all you need is a "story" how rare, how nice, how risky is to buy directly, some nice photos and a sucker who pays, if you add a 0 to your purchase price (for the new reselling price)... The real roots are very solid, uniform, smooth, with texture, detailed, not soft, grained or crumbly polished matrix/sand! Enamel and bourlette preservation of these megs is among the best, worldwide, but all good preserved Indo teeth have smooth enamel like glass and a very nice preserved full or almost full bourlette. That's not a bonus, but a "feature" of more as 70% megs found in Indonesia. However, probably more as 70% of teeth in the market now, have root damage and erosion covered up, even some at high 3-10x reselling prices. On the opposite, a full bourlette on USA river/ocean found teeth is a rare sight. Land-found teeth from Indonesia seem to be well mineralized and gum is solid, often better preserved to what we are used to see in the market, but I wouldn't call that a rare find, since all indo megs are land finds and have nicer preserved gum lines and serrations as river worn megs. Praising fantastic gum line, smooth enamel and sharp serrations on land found teeth, is like praising devonian Moroccan trilobites' eye lenses. All have them, unless they are damaged in preparation or weathered. Indonesian megs are mined in different layers with picks and shovel and sometimes damaged (and therefore sometimes restored, if hit with tools). Preservation and colors are different, depending on different layers and sediments. Always ask for good photos in natural light and if there are any improvements. Many Indonesian sellers are just as honest as resellers in USA, some however, will try to convince you with poor resolution photos or a very high first asking price (if it's expensive, then it must be worth it, right?). Although many sellers are honest, non will pass the opportunity to make a good profit even on teeth with erosion, broken root lobes, restoration or other damage. Most Indonesian sellers don't have any experience in pricing or selling megs, in example they might price similar size megs the same, even if one has a broken root and the other one a restored tip, but they are learning the difference preservation, colors, size etc. make. So the first (often way too high) asking price usually doesn't reflect the condition or size, but it's not the last price... All damaged and restored teeth drop in price by more than half, if you point out the improvements and damage, and although "meg-crazy" collectors and resellers buy the best preserved teeth before you notice, there's also haggling involved. It's not the point of this post to give pricing tips, but keep in mind, that when each new tooth is found, the miners send photos to different reseller, so often different resellers are trying to sell the same tooth, and often they buy from each other or create different avatars to reach more clients - each reseller might be asking a different price for the same tooth, usually 2-5x what they pay the miners. Check if the reseller has the tooth you are buying in hands or buy from resellers in USA or EU, but keep in mind that the price of all imported teeth goes up again, a lot more as you might expect. In Indonesia a nice 5" tooth often sells for less as 150... And if you were among the few who were buying them for american prices in the "beginning" (or from resellers in USA), as investment (as some often do), expect the values to drop once even more of these teeth flood the market. If you're a reseller - be honest and don't destroy the reputation of all Indonesian sellers or BS about rarity for your own gain, to drive up your price; miners and sellers in Indonesia invest all the work to find the teeth and bring them to the market, not resellers in USA or EU, who just take new photos and buy 3 more teeth with profits... We all understand the risks involved, and that this is a job for professional resellers, but there's many ways how to scam or create a bubble. Perhaps as a result of this mining activity new scientific discoveries will be made in Java aswell. Some resellers in Indonesia also use putty and paint to improve small imperfections and sell the teeth for a better price, trying to pass them as natural. And they are quite good at it, you may not notice it on photographs or even in hand, without closer inspection and checking... And they'll keep doing it, as long as there's the next meg-crazy guy around the corner. Everything is up for your consideration, just carefull with restorations and resellers telling you how expensive or nice their megs are, keep in mind that the price of all Indonesian megs, even the good ones, is very low compared to usa market prices (that's another "bubble" story). Although all megs "gain" in value by changing hands: the risks, lack of trust and preservation issues are keeping the value down (at the source, most Indonesian sellers don't hoard hundreds of teeth and overprice them, untill they can find a sucker willing to pay crazy money, they try to sell fast and make a living). Keep in mind also, that most of the indonesian meg teeth offered for resale on various websites were not purchased more as 1 or 2 months ago, these are not old collections "impossible to get anymore", like high-valued 6" Peruvian or Chile teeth, slowly released into the market. If you're willing to invest high sums of money for a speculation, you're better off investing in stocks! When buying from resellers therefore keep in mind that these indo teeth are ATM not rare as advertised, just next month they might start to dig in a different formation with different preservation, but just as (or more) common as megs from USA. Unless you fall in love with a specific tooth, you can guarantee to find another one, cheaper one, in similar quality, size and preservation, despite the hype and efforts of some resellers. Buyer beware, restored and overpriced indo megs are the next bubble in the fossil collecting world and a good chance to scam or rip you off.
  13. Homo Erectus Survived later on Java

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50827603 Homo erectus was still about just over 100,000 years ago.
  14. What teeth is this?

    Hello. Found this teeth in Sangiran, Java, Indonesia. Looks like omnivore teeth. Maybe wild boar. Any idea? The length measurement in the pic was in cm.
  15. Megoceras ID

    I bought this fused vertebrae Saturday. It was listed as being from a Megoceras from Java Indonesia. I can not find any mention online if a Megoceras. So I am wondering if the fossil was labeled wrong and it's from something with a similar name like megaloceros. Any ideas? Thank you
  16. Well, I sure feel like a nitwit! Remember this topic I made, about how it's wise not to throw away your supposedly-fake fossil, because even the experts can get it wrong? > http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/57593-this-is-why-you-shouldnt-discard-your-fossils-even-if-they-are-supposedly-fake/ Guess what? You guys were right all along - It IS a fake, or at least, the root is. So for 2 years I've been trying to ID the tooth. It looks like the crown of a croc, yet has a full root. I asked the seller, but he was adamant it was a real tooth. I checked with several other experts, and a taxidermist. After handling it, all confirmed my tooth and root was real. Hence, despite Thomas Kapitany, Nate Curtis and you guys telling me otherwise, I was convinced mine was real. Still, I just couldn't lock it down to a species. Was it tiger? Croc? Pinniped? Whale? Then a group of big cat fans messaged me, asking for info on my tooth, e.g. weight, length... They did a lot of calculations, cross-section fitting of my tooth into tiger jaws etc, and came to the conclusion mine was the fabled lost canine of the Ngandong Tiger. As a collector, I was more than happy to accept that ID. For months, I was happily ignorant. But I couldn't ignore my nagging suspicions this tooth isn't what it appears to be. I went online to search, and what do you know? I found 6 other Java teeth like mine, all ID-ed as tiger. I have 2 teeth, and my friend has 3, that means all 11 of these teeth that are known online are fully-rooted. Let that sink in a moment. Fully-rooted teeth are rare in the fossil record, and now 11 out of 11 have that? Not likely at all. I tried looking for instances with partial roots, or broken ones but there were none. Here's an album compilation of the 11 teeth > http://imgur.com/a/hhWcC As it turns out, the Javanese really like tiger. I found 4 Indonesian seller marketing croc teeth as tiger ones. Thomas Kapitany also revealed to me they've been faking fossils for decades. I broke my smaller tooth apart, this is what I saw > http://imgur.com/a/4F8iJ Let me say first the Javanese are darn good at faking this. I thought I knew plenty about Moroccan and Chinese fake fossils, but this one just threw me off utterly. I will relabel my smaller tooth crown as a croc, and the big one will stay as it is - a reminder to myself to be neutral when it comes to ID-ing a fossil; I was so biased towards tiger that I failed to see all the red flags. Too often, the problem many of us is that a collector refuses to acknowledge when he has a misidentified fossils (e.g. a concretion instead of an egg, rugosa coral instead of teeth). I happened to be one of them. Sometimes, the experts really do know better
  17. Over a year ago, I blindly purchased a large impressive-looking tooth from a seller who didn't even know its ID simply because it was cheap. On arrival it broke, and after consulting the forum and facebook groups, the general consensus was that it was fake. Even museum curators I respected told me that it was a crocodile tooth joined to a fake root by someone who tried to emulate a mammal one. Having been (apparently)scammed and feeling snarge lousy, I was >| |< this close to throwing the fake root into the bin. But one other collector who bought from the same seller was vehement we had something real, so I decided to keep this tooth a little longer. (Post continues below)
  18. Hi all. I recently picked up this lovely specimen of a crocodile tooth. It came from the Solo River of Java, and is most likely 200,000 years to 2 million in age. I am aware that there was more than one attempt to identify the Solo River crocodile fossils in the past, but without any conclusive results. > http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/41300-crocodile-fossil-sangiran-indonesia/ It has two distinctive ridges that run down either ends. My extant Siamese Croc teeth have these ridges too. However, this croc tooth is slightly straighter and more cone-like. The bottom is quite unusual for a tooth. Besides C. porosus, are there any other possible species this tooth might belong to? A Google search yielded no results, and i have not located any sellers online who deals in these. Thank you.
  19. Hertler, C., 2006, Excursion Guide to Pleistocene Hominid Sites in Cemtral Europe, Universitat Frankfurt Am Main, Germany PDF file at http://www.uni-frank...eandertaler.pdf Hertler, C., and Y. Ritzal, 2005, Excursion Guide to Pleistocene Hominid Sites in Central and East Java, Universitat Frankfurt Am Main, Germany PDF file at http://hopsea.mnhn.fr/doc/Excursion%20guide.pdf Enjoy, Paul H.
  20. Stegodon Tooth

    From the album TEETH & JAWS

    Stegodontidae is another family of Proboscideans, however there is debate on whether it is a valid family or if it belongs to Elephantidae (Shoshani and Tassy, 1996; Saegusa et al., 2005). The group is comprised of two genera Stegolophodon and Stegodon which are thought to have evolved from gomphotheres. They were among the largest proboscideans to roam the planet. They [stegodontids] had low crowned teeth (brachyodont) with peaked ridges indicating they were browsers or mixed feeders in a forested environment. This is in contrast to the high crowned plated molars of mammoths and elephants. In general Stegodon had long, nearly straight tusks while Stegolophodon had four tusks, two on top and two on the bottom. Their bones were generally more robust than mammoths and elephants. The earliest Stegolophodon fossil is from the early to middle Miocene in Thailand. The genus spread from its southeast origins along the coastline of East Asia. It is thought that this northward movement of the genus is a result of the mid-Miocene climatic warming (Saegusa, 1996). The genus Stegodon evolved from Stegolophodon. It most likely originated during the Pliocene in South China based on the high diversity of this genus in the area, however there is a reported record of the genus from Kenya, Africa dated at 6.5 million years ago. From South China, Stegodon rapidly diversified and spread through Asia (Saegusa, 1996). They were able to swim and reached many islands in southeastern Asia (even islands that were not connected during low sea levels of glaciation periods). Stegodon diversified on the Japan islands resulting in several endemic species (Saegusa et al., 2005). Elephants reached Asia during the Pliocene and by this time stegodontids were very diverse suggesting that elephants and stegodontids may have co-existed. The loss of stegodontids in Africa may have been the result of increasing grassland on the continent. (researched by Kaitlin McGuire, UCMP) (This image is best viewed by clicking on the button on the upper right of this page => "other sizes" => "large".)

    © (image) Harry Pristis 2012

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