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  1. billyt9292

    Tiger tooth?

    Hi everyone, This tooth has been sold as a tiger tooth from Java, Indonesia, dated at around 1,000,000 years old. Of course cat fossils are very rare. I trust the seller as they also sell composites that are labelled and sold as such, so I think they know their stuff. What are your views on this? The only real question I have about it is the dip in the bone on the left side underneath the tooth; what is this? Is this indeed a tiger/cat tooth?
  2. Hello! I run a ladies fossil hunting fb group here in Florida, USA but am traveling to Singapore October 6- 13 and would like to know: 1. Are there any excursions I can go on to find fossils in Singapore? What can be found there? 2. Are there any paid excursions in Java or elsewhere in Indonesia? 2a. Would it be safe to travel alone? (American female in her 50's if it makes a difference). I would need to fly in from Singapore and preferably meet with a reputable group. Thank you!
  3. Kikokuryu

    Crocodylus or Gavialis tooth?

    I had a question about the ID of croc teeth from the Solo River, Java, Indonesia. While the bigger tooth is more easily identifiable as Crocodylus siamensis (syn. Crocodylus ossifragus) just on the size and shape, I was unsure about the smaller one. Croc teeth from the Pleistocene deposits (not sure what formation it's called) are usually just sold as Crocodylus ossifragus, but Gavialis bengawanicus also appears to have been present. The smaller tooth does have prominent fluting, but I'm not sure if that's even a distinguishing feature. I haven't really seen a whole lot of Crocodylus teeth, fossil or extant. Not sure if smaller teeth from this region are even identifiable. If anyone has any knowledge of distinguishing gharial from crocodile, help would be appreciated. Measurement in centimeters. Last image here is just a comparison with a Thecachampsa americana (left) from Bone Valley, Florida.
  4. Hi again, looking at purchasing this tiger tooth that looks real bud there are some things that don’t. Looking for a second opinion before I commit. thank you IMG_4793.MOV
  5. Stephen burge

    Tiger Tooth identification

    Hi everyone I’m looking for a ID on this tiger tooth bought from Indonesia, it comes from Java island Solo. Possibly from which extinct tiger.
  6. Over a year ago, I blindly purchased a large impressive-looking tooth from a seller who didn't even know its ID simply because it was cheap. On arrival it broke, and after consulting the forum and facebook groups, the general consensus was that it was fake. Even museum curators I respected told me that it was a crocodile tooth joined to a fake root by someone who tried to emulate a mammal one. Having been (apparently)scammed and feeling snarge lousy, I was >| |< this close to throwing the fake root into the bin. But one other collector who bought from the same seller was vehement we had something real, so I decided to keep this tooth a little longer. (Post continues below)
  7. Hi just wondering what this shell might be that is in the matrix of my Indonesian (Java) Meg tooth. @IsaacTheFossilManmight have an idea?
  8. A friend has just shown me these and wanted to know if i could help on an id but i was stuck so have to ask you guys and girls. They were said to be found in marine deposits where sharks teeth are found but this is not 100% confirmed. he just tinks they are some kind of mammal claw but something does not look quite right has anyone else got any ideas ? there are 2 , photos are not great but hope you can help. Looking at the photos again they look a little like crab claw pincers but they are far bigger than any of the crabs found in the area....
  9. This has me stumped, Its fram Java Indonesia, it came in a lot with some small shark teeth, fish teeth and sting ray barb... i assume its fish related? looks like to small tusk like pertrusions, other guess was turtle related, would be great to hear from anyone thats seen anything like this before. Thanks
  10. From the album: Fossil Amber and Copal: Worldwide Localities

    This specimen weighs 36.0g and measures 65x40x25mm; several small fragments of plant material are contained within its translucent, reddish mass. Originating from the island of Java, this variety of copal is a fairly recent discovery; it is recovered from various soil levels, near to or on the surface of the rainforest floor. Rough specimens usually exhibit a thick, whitish exterior crust; Indonesian red copal is very soft, reacts readily with acetone, and can be scratched with a fingernail.
  11. Bali Shane

    Mystery Java Fossil - Croc? *HELP*

    Hi Guys, This one had me absolutely stumped. Found in Java, Indonesia.
  12. I have an old collection. I bought it from a fossil hunter in Java, Indonesia. The Length 20 cm. The Width 10 cm. The Weight 3 kg I don't know if it is a real Rhino Horn Fossil or fake. Please give me some opinion about this.
  13. Hi I got these teeth with some other fossil and i just dont know what they are from. They are Pleistocene I believe going of the other fossils from this area. (Indonesia, Java) Teeth numbered 1 and 2 are crocodilian, i know that much, they are clear to see and still have the serrations down either side... I am not sure if tooth 3 is also crocodilian? but maybe the surface/ details of the tooth has been polished (a real bad habbit they have over there) but teeth 4,5 & 6 are different. Their colours are very different, but again, I'm not sure. I think they have been polished also. I did have a tooth a while back that was ID'd as bear (species unverified) not sure if these are bear, wolf, or something else? It's quite hard researching fossils from there, so would be great to hear your views., Many thanks in advance. sorry took these without scale, they measure largest 130mm and the smallest 70mm
  14. MarcoX

    trinil tiger

    Just received this three glued teeth from java. They were sold a trinil tiger teeth. Can someone confirm this?
  15. Hi just recieved this tooth from Indonesia, really can't work out what its from does anyone know? wolf? cat? other? Thanks so much
  16. Adie_uk

    unknown Pliocene jaw, indonesia?

    Hi Guys and gals, does anyone know what jaw bone and teeth this belongs too? its upto or around 2million years old and is from java indonesia, found in the same deposits as stegodon, hippo rhino, bison and so on.. i just can't place it, some better photos of the teeth would help but i don't have them yet... many thanks
  17. hemipristis

    Rhino? From Indonesia. ID request

    hafa adai I recently purchased a flat of fossils from a guy I've been buying from in Indonesia (I know a guy... LOL). The ID card with this one said "rhinoceros", Miocene from Java, Indonesia. I have only ever seen rhino molars from there, which this is clearly not. Internet searches for rhino incisors however, yield teeth which are more tusk-like. I'm not really familiar with rhino dentition, so I thought I would appeal for assistance. Is it rhinoceras? thanks!
  18. Hi all, I was recently gifted a lovely fossil from a friend. He told me it comes from a reliable digger from Sangiran and it is a rhino horn. However, I have my doubts Rhino horns as I understand, are made of keratin which means they do not fossilize easily. Also, this fossil here is almost surely a bone. My friend tells me it is permineralized keratin but I am not sure if I agree with that. While there are indeed lines that flow from the base to the tip, I can't tell if they are carved or not My friend mentioned this is a river find, hence the dark coloration. I rubbed it with acetone and revealed a different color underneath. I am 95% sure this is not wood however as there are no wood grains and the weight is more consistent with bone What leads me to the conclusion that this is a real bone and not wood is the cross section. There is actual bone structure here So, what is this "horn" exactly? My guess right now is that it is an actual bone (judging from the base) that was carved into the shape of a horn. There is a honeycomb pattern which you can see on the base. Traces of this pattern can be seen exposed by acetone. Perhaps most of the honeycomb surface pattern was destroyed by carving? Anyway, I could be totally wrong. Maybe this is indeed a true fossil rhino horn and I am just over-paranoid. I would like your thoughts please, thank you
  19. I have here 3 Indonesian Megs. They were declared as no repairs or restorations. I now have them in person, and they look fine. I ran them under a UV, and I am suspicious of the dark spots on the roots, but I think that may be some of the top layer of the root leftover while the rest of the root eroded. Additionally, the second tooth may have some restoration to the left side of the serrations, near the base of the crown. I'd love some more eyes on this please, does anyone see any red flags? Thank you, Bellamy First Megalodon
  20. BellamyBlake

    Great White - Indonesia

    I have here an alleged Carcharodon carcharias tooth from the Pliocene of Surabaya, West Java, Indonesia. It's 1.8 cm in length. I have my suspicions because it looks wide like a Meg. I'd like some further opinions. Thank you, Bellamy
  21. BellamyBlake

    Indonesian Shark Tooth

    Hi everyone, I have here a 1" tooth identified as a Megalodon from West Java, Indonesia, allegedly a new creek locality. I know that smaller Megs may not necessarily have bourlettes, but there do not appear to be serrations. This could probably be explained by river wear. In any case, might this be a Meg, or could it be something else? Best, Bellamy
  22. Untitled

    Dalatias licha Java

    From the album: Odd and Rare Shark Teeth

    Kitefin shark tooth from North Central Java, Indonesia. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene in age. This is the only Dalatias tooth I have personally seen/heard of from this locality.
  23. BellamyBlake

    Exotic Megalodon Dealers

    Hi everyone, I've been looking for a Megalodon from one of the more exotic localities in Asia. The problem is, most of the dealers I know stick to those originating from the United States. I've found some on various auction sites, but I don't wish to get into that because I'm not very experienced in spotting fakes and reconstructions. I would be more interested in someone who you've had fruitful dealings with. If anyone could PM me suggestions for dealers to contact regarding teeth from these localities, I would appreciate it. Thank you, Shayan
  24. Since this forum is often visited by new collectors. Note: intention for this post is not to hurt resellers, but caveat emptor: The market is currently flooded with megalodon teeth from West Java! Although the first specimens started to pop on the market already about 2 years ago or earlier, anyone nowadays still telling you megs from West Java are rare, is joking. It has become clear! There are millions of meg teeth in Indo-Australian archipelago, and the simple fact that they have been generally overlooked by collectors and resellers in the past decades and years, doesn't make Java teeth any rarer. Deposits in west and central Java, where megalodon teeth are found, range from middle miocene to early pliocene and it seems megs are found in at least 3 or 4 different layers/formations, in different preservations and colors. We often see descriptions praising the glossy enamel and fantastic colors and many resellers are probably stocking up. But careful: As always, use paypal! Colors change and the vibrant tones fade away when these teeth are exposed to UV and dry out in our climate (Indonesia has a very high % of humidity). Location is not rare and Indonesian megs will be probably just as common in your future collections as SC or FL megs, or perhaps even more due to the droping prices, even in 5" size and over. Even the price of all megs in general might drop, unless supply changes and that usually doesn't happen "over night" (nor because the deposits with millions of teeth would stop producing)... When it comes to the pricing of megs, quality and all tiny details matters - it's the high end collectors and resellers who are pushing up the prices and low supply vs. demand. That said, there's a flood of new teeth comming into the market and as much as resellers are trying to praise the overall nice enamel condition and rarity - the teeth are nice, but 95% of the teeth from Indonesia comming into the market now, have root pitting and eroded roots, covered by matrix - difficult to notice in some photos, you might not tell the matrix covering the holes from the root, especially if you are buying your first tooth and expect the root is just a little "dirty" or covered. It's usually not just sediment over the root, but depends on the area and layers where teeth were found. Often the acid dissolved/eroded roots are also carved from matrix (sandstone naturally filling the broken or eroded parts) and broken/eroded areas sometimes restored, covered up with matrix, to resell for a higher price. Keep in mind, these teeth typically change at least 2 or 3 "hands" before they get to you and the price might not reflect the condition. Even if you think you are looking at the real root or a natural fossil tooth, double check - if you can't see the root texture, often what you think is root, might be just sandstone matrix covering the eroded real root below or no root at all. Or just sandstone matrix shaped like root. Unfortunatelly, not many resellers, not even in USA, will point out the root issues, but will try to present the "flaws" as nice as possible - often the tooth is cleaned, eroded root smoothed with a fine grit sandpaper and buffing, and all you need is a "story" how rare, how nice, how risky is to buy directly, some nice photos and a sucker who pays, if you add a 0 to your purchase price (for the new reselling price)... The real roots are very solid, uniform, smooth, with texture, detailed, not soft, grained or crumbly polished matrix/sand! Enamel and bourlette preservation of these megs is among the best, worldwide, but all good preserved Indo teeth have smooth enamel like glass and a very nice preserved full or almost full bourlette. That's not a bonus, but a "feature" of more as 70% megs found in Indonesia. However, probably more as 70% of teeth in the market now, have root damage and erosion covered up, even some at high 3-10x reselling prices. On the opposite, a full bourlette on USA river/ocean found teeth is a rare sight. Land-found teeth from Indonesia seem to be well mineralized and gum is solid, often better preserved to what we are used to see in the market, but I wouldn't call that a rare find, since all indo megs are land finds and have nicer preserved gum lines and serrations as river worn megs. Praising fantastic gum line, smooth enamel and sharp serrations on land found teeth, is like praising devonian Moroccan trilobites' eye lenses. All have them, unless they are damaged in preparation or weathered. Indonesian megs are mined in different layers with picks and shovel and sometimes damaged (and therefore sometimes restored, if hit with tools). Preservation and colors are different, depending on different layers and sediments. Always ask for good photos in natural light and if there are any improvements. Many Indonesian sellers are just as honest as resellers in USA, some however, will try to convince you with poor resolution photos or a very high first asking price (if it's expensive, then it must be worth it, right?). Although many sellers are honest, non will pass the opportunity to make a good profit even on teeth with erosion, broken root lobes, restoration or other damage. Most Indonesian sellers don't have any experience in pricing or selling megs, in example they might price similar size megs the same, even if one has a broken root and the other one a restored tip, but they are learning the difference preservation, colors, size etc. make. So the first (often way too high) asking price usually doesn't reflect the condition or size, but it's not the last price... All damaged and restored teeth drop in price by more than half, if you point out the improvements and damage, and although "meg-crazy" collectors and resellers buy the best preserved teeth before you notice, there's also haggling involved. It's not the point of this post to give pricing tips, but keep in mind, that when each new tooth is found, the miners send photos to different reseller, so often different resellers are trying to sell the same tooth, and often they buy from each other or create different avatars to reach more clients - each reseller might be asking a different price for the same tooth, usually 2-5x what they pay the miners. Check if the reseller has the tooth you are buying in hands or buy from resellers in USA or EU, but keep in mind that the price of all imported teeth goes up again, a lot more as you might expect. In Indonesia a nice 5" tooth often sells for less as 150... And if you were among the few who were buying them for american prices in the "beginning" (or from resellers in USA), as investment (as some often do), expect the values to drop once even more of these teeth flood the market. If you're a reseller - be honest and don't destroy the reputation of all Indonesian sellers or BS about rarity for your own gain, to drive up your price; miners and sellers in Indonesia invest all the work to find the teeth and bring them to the market, not resellers in USA or EU, who just take new photos and buy 3 more teeth with profits... We all understand the risks involved, and that this is a job for professional resellers, but there's many ways how to scam or create a bubble. Perhaps as a result of this mining activity new scientific discoveries will be made in Java aswell. Some resellers in Indonesia also use putty and paint to improve small imperfections and sell the teeth for a better price, trying to pass them as natural. And they are quite good at it, you may not notice it on photographs or even in hand, without closer inspection and checking... And they'll keep doing it, as long as there's the next meg-crazy guy around the corner. Everything is up for your consideration, just carefull with restorations and resellers telling you how expensive or nice their megs are, keep in mind that the price of all Indonesian megs, even the good ones, is very low compared to usa market prices (that's another "bubble" story). Although all megs "gain" in value by changing hands: the risks, lack of trust and preservation issues are keeping the value down (at the source, most Indonesian sellers don't hoard hundreds of teeth and overprice them, untill they can find a sucker willing to pay crazy money, they try to sell fast and make a living). Keep in mind also, that most of the indonesian meg teeth offered for resale on various websites were not purchased more as 1 or 2 months ago, these are not old collections "impossible to get anymore", like high-valued 6" Peruvian or Chile teeth, slowly released into the market. If you're willing to invest high sums of money for a speculation, you're better off investing in stocks! When buying from resellers therefore keep in mind that these indo teeth are ATM not rare as advertised, just next month they might start to dig in a different formation with different preservation, but just as (or more) common as megs from USA. Unless you fall in love with a specific tooth, you can guarantee to find another one, cheaper one, in similar quality, size and preservation, despite the hype and efforts of some resellers. Buyer beware, restored and overpriced indo megs are the next bubble in the fossil collecting world and a good chance to scam or rip you off.
  25. Untitled

    Dalatias licha Java

    From the album: Odd and Rare Shark Teeth

    Kitefin shark tooth from North Central Java, Indonesia. Late Pliocene- Early Pleistocene in age. This is the only Dalatias tooth I have personally seen/heard of from this locality.
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