digit Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 Nice fish! Learned something too as well--always a good way to start the day. Seems that Priscacara serrata and Priscacara liops once shared a genus but now the smaller of the two has been moved to a new genus and is now Cockerelites liops. A quick internet check to see what was going on here led me back to a great source of fossil information. You may have hear of it? TFF The Wikipedia article mentions that the two species have different types of tooth plates and maybe that was the reason for pulling these apart into two genera. I don't have a copy of Lance Grande's 2013 book The Lost World of Fossil Lake. Perhaps @Sagebrush Steve can update us to the reasoning for the split if he has a copy? Someone (not me ) needs to update the Wikipedia page to reflect the new taxonomy. A crowd-sourced encyclopedia is a great idea but, as with any collection of information, constant editorial attention is required. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscacara Cheers. -Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Thanks Ken @digit I have a copy of that book and I read the reasoning (there were a handful of differences) but I don’t have it in front of me. I’m knee deep in some continuing education for my energy auditor certification today. I have to complete 8 additional hours before 12/31! There’s nothing like waiting until the last minute... I’ll reply with the points later unless someone beats me to it. Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 The so-called "Priscacara liops" was placed in the genus Cockerellites by Jordan (1923) because of the number of differences between this species and Priscacara serrata. Unlike Priscacara serrata, Cockerellites liops has a larger number of dorsal fin rays, a larger number of anal fin rays, a less strongly serrated preopercular margin, and a thinner pelvic spine (see Grande 1984, table II.7). In addition, it is a smaller fish, seldom exceeding 120 millimeters (5 inches) in length. Although l did not recognize this genus in my 1984 volume, l could find no unambiguous characteristics indicating close relationship to Priscacara serrata, nor did Whitlock in his analysis of the FBM percoids together with extant species. Therefore, l resurrect the name Cockerellites Iiops (Cope, 1877) here for this species discussed below. text from: Grande, L. 2013. The Lost World of Fossil Lake: Snapshots From Deep Time. University of Chicago Press, 425 pp. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digit Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 Sounds sound to me. Nice when a FOTM entry comes with a side dish of learning. Cheers. -Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagebrush Steve Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 6 hours ago, piranha said: The so-called "Priscacara liops" was placed in the genus Cockerellites by Jordan (1923) because of the number of differences between this species and Priscacara serrata. Unlike Priscacara serrata, Cockerellites liops has a larger number of dorsal fin rays, a larger number of anal fin rays, a less strongly serrated preopercular margin, and a thinner pelvic spine (see Grande 1984, table II.7). In addition, it is a smaller fish, seldom exceeding 120 millimeters (5 inches) in length. Although l did not recognize this genus in my 1984 volume, l could find no unambiguous characteristics indicating close relationship to Priscacara serrata, nor did Whitlock in his analysis of the FBM percoids together with extant species. Therefore, l resurrect the name Cockerellites Iiops (Cope, 1877) here for this species discussed below. text from: Grande, L. 2013. The Lost World of Fossil Lake: Snapshots From Deep Time. University of Chicago Press, 425 pp. And here is a bit more about it from Grande’s book. Sorry, I’m too lazy to retype it like @piranha did, I just took a photo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Sagebrush Steve said: Sorry, I’m too lazy to retype it like @piranha did, I just took a photo. scan + ocr + copy + paste = et voilà! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagebrush Steve Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 4 hours ago, piranha said: scan + ocr + copy + paste = et voilà! Even simpler: scan > paste > go have some wine > 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:23 PM, Ptychodus04 said: Cockerelites liops Before prep: After prep: close up of caudal fin preservation. How did you prep it? Air abrader or microjack or pin vise, or magic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Scylla said: How did you prep it? Air abrader or microjack or pin vise, or magic? A combination of micro-abrasive, micro jack, and magic (aka good luck and patience). 2 Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, Ptychodus04 said: A combination of micro-abrasive, micro jack, and magic (aka good luck and patience). We know you better than that! You waved your wand and used the Preparus Preptronum spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 46 minutes ago, caldigger said: We know you better than that! You waved your wand and used the Preparus Preptronum spell. Guilty... Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieira Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 My second entry to the vertebrate category. First time I found associated shark vertebras in Portugal. Date of Discovery: December 21, 2019 Scientific and/or Common: Shark vertebras Geologic Age or Geologic Formation: Miocene | Burdigalian Province, or Region Found: Sesimbra, Portugal 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesuslover340 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I feel compelled to add to this month's entries, given the significance of the find and the limited chance of ever finding anything quite so spectacular again. So I'd like to include this associated left manus of a Palorchestes azael, described in more detail in this thread: http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/100844-australias-answer-to-a-giant-ground-sloth/&tab=comments#comment-1119793 Date of Discovery: 9 December 2019 Scientific and/or Common Name: Palorchestes sp. (azael?) Geologic Age or Geologic Formation: Pleistocene State, Province, or Region Found: Queensland Photos of Find: 11 "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another."-Romans 14:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Nice find Skye @Jesuslover340!!! Why do you guys get all the cool marsupials down there? Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strepsodus Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Lycopsid branches Upper Carboniferous Pennine Lower Coal Measures formation Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Found Friday, 27th of December 2019 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesuslover340 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Ptychodus04 said: Nice find Skye @Jesuslover340!!! Why do you guys get all the cool marsupials down there? You guys get the placentals, we get the marsupials-seems fair enough "Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another."-Romans 14:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave pom Allen Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 found 6 days ago miniture fossil coconut (Cocos zeylandica) 40mm long, a small extinct species found only in New Zealand, from Coopers Beach, Mangonui (Doubtless Bay), Northland dating from the early Miocene 16-24myo Collected: December 23rd, 2019 Miniature fossil coconut (Cocos zeylandica) Early Miocene 16-24myo Coopers Beach, Mangonui (Doubtless Bay) Northland, New Zealand 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Hi, Oh ! What is the size ? Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave pom Allen Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 49 minutes ago, Coco said: Hi, Oh ! What is the size ? Coco 40mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptychodus04 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Jesuslover340 said: You guys get the placentals, we get the marsupials-seems fair enough Nope, marsupials are cooler. They have their own utility pocket! 1 Regards, Kris Global Paleo Services, LLC https://globalpaleoservices.com http://instagram.com/globalpaleoservices http://instagram.com/kris.howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamL Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 21 hours ago, Strepsodus said: Calamostachys ramosa Upper Carboniferous Pennine Lower Coal Measures formation Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Found Friday, 27th of December 2019 In artificial light, the details don’t stand out much on the photos, so I will post better photos taken in natural light tomorrow. That's brill! Wakefield is my hometown and i never knew it was possible to find stuff. Yorkshire Coast Fossil Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamL Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I'll enter an unusual invertebrate i found this month. Found on 26th December Vampire Squid Ink Sac. The bits of shell strongly suggest it's a loligosepiid, probably Loligosepia. Thanks @TqB Lower Jurassic, Toarcian Stage, Whitby Mudstone Formation, Mulgrave Shale Member (Falciferum Zone). 9 Yorkshire Coast Fossil Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TqB Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 5 hours ago, LiamL said: Found on 26th December Vampire Squid Ink Sac. Jet rock shale ( don't know exact formation for sure, not a geologist sorry just a collector ) Lower Jurassic, Toarcian Stage, Whitby Mudstone Formation, Mulgrave Shale Member (Falciferum Zone). 3 Tarquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amateur Paleontologist Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 4 hours ago, LiamL said: I'll enter an unusual invertebrate i found this month. Found on 26th December Vampire Squid Ink Sac. That's an amazing find, Liam 1 Opalised fossils are the best: a wonderful mix between paleontology and mineralogy! Q. Where do dinosaurs study? A. At Khaan Academy!... My ResearchGate profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 5 hours ago, LiamL said: I'll enter an unusual invertebrate i found this month. Found on 26th December Vampire Squid Ink Sac. Official Invertebrate Fossil of the Sith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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