jnicholes Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Hello everyone! Merry Christmas! I learned something interesting from my own observations of an Ammonite fossil I recently got. It involves mathematics, mainly the Golden Ratio. For those that dont know, the Golden Ratio is a constant. Difficult to describe in words. Maybe someone else will say what it is for me. It is equal to approximately 1.618. Anyway, here is a picture of the Ammonite I found with lines over it. As you can see, the lines, (which go with the length of the Ammonite Spiral,) follow the golden ratio. 1.29 is 1.618 times smaller than 2.1. 2.1 is 1.618 times smaller than 3.39. Finally, 3.39 is 1.618 times smaller than 5.5, the length of the Ammonite. You will also notice that the first and second, 1.29 and 2.1, equal the third, 3.39. The second and third, 2.1 and 3.39, equal the 4th, 5.5. If the Ammonite spiral went on into infinity, it would ALWAYS follow this ratio, the Golden Ratio. This is very interesting. Well, thats it. Thats what I learned today. I hope you enjoy it. Jared 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnicholes Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 I forgot to add, I measured the Ammonite also to see if I was correct. Needless to say, I WAS correct. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandpa Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 On the subject check out these sites: https://www.goldennumber.net/nautilus-spiral-golden-ratio/ Is the Nautilus shell spiral a golden spiral? https://evolutionnews.org/2014/12/do_we_live_in_a/ Do We Live in a "Golden Ratio" Universe? https://15burbrinkb.wixsite.com/patterns-in-nature/faq#! The Math Behind the Golden Ratio The Math Behind the Golden Spiral The Math Behind the Golden Spiral The Math Behind the Golden Spiral Isn't Ammo-math fun? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnicholes Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 minute ago, grandpa said: On the subject check out these sites: https://www.goldennumber.net/nautilus-spiral-golden-ratio/ Is the Nautilus shell spiral a golden spiral? https://evolutionnews.org/2014/12/do_we_live_in_a/ Do We Live in a "Golden Ratio" Universe? https://15burbrinkb.wixsite.com/patterns-in-nature/faq#! The Math Behind the Golden Ratio The Math Behind the Golden Spiral The Math Behind the Golden Spiral The Math Behind the Golden Spiral Isn't Ammo-math fun? Ammo math is VERY fun to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ludwigia Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Very interesting observation. Never thought of that before, but it doesn't surprise me since this ratio can be found everywhere in the natural world. Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erose Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I worked for a number of years at a place here in Central Texas called Westcave Preserve. Among the cool special features of the visitor center was a spiral depiction of the Golden Ratio set in the terrazzo floor. At the start of the spiral was a Texas ammonite set into a pocket in the floor. We described feature as "Nature's Numbers." The Greeks understood this ratio and knew that if you built things to that ratio it would be inherently pleasing to the eye. As a designer and cabinet maker I would often tweak the proportions of an object to hit that 1.618 ratio and waala! It looked good. FYI, Fibonacci numbers also express the same ratio. 1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Some examples. 1 Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterpillar Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 On 26/12/2019 at 2:16 AM, jnicholes said: Hello everyone! Merry Christmas! I learned something interesting from my own observations of an Ammonite fossil I recently got. It involves mathematics, mainly the Golden Ratio. For those that dont know, the Golden Ratio is a constant. Difficult to describe in words. Maybe someone else will say what it is for me. It is equal to approximately 1.618. Anyway, here is a picture of the Ammonite I found with lines over it. As you can see, the lines, (which go with the length of the Ammonite Spiral,) follow the golden ratio. 1.29 is 1.618 times smaller than 2.1. 2.1 is 1.618 times smaller than 3.39. Finally, 3.39 is 1.618 times smaller than 5.5, the length of the Ammonite. You will also notice that the first and second, 1.29 and 2.1, equal the third, 3.39. The second and third, 2.1 and 3.39, equal the 4th, 5.5. If the Ammonite spiral went on into infinity, it would ALWAYS follow this ratio, the Golden Ratio. This is very interesting. Well, thats it. Thats what I learned today. I hope you enjoy it. Jared Don't forget that you are measuring an ammonite essentially made by human hands http://www.paleotheque.fr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnicholes Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 3 hours ago, caterpillar said: Don't forget that you are measuring an ammonite essentially made by human hands I have not forgotten. Partially carved or not, I still feel I learned something. You just gave me an idea. I would like to invite somebody to use one of their ammonites, and measure the way I did. Lets see if the golden ratio occurs in another ammonite that is not partially carved. Jared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnicholes Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 More of my fossils that follow the Golden Ratio. I looked at them with a theory I would find it in my Knightia eocaena, Diplomystus dentatus, and Phareodus testis. Sure enough, I did find it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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