MohammadAAK Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Hello, I was offered a couple of fossils and this is the second one to the previous keichousaurus post. It’s a fossil frog, genus Liaobatracus, from early Cretaceous, Yixian formation, Liaoning province, China, exported in the 80s. 20 cm. Any ideas whether it’s a genuine piece. These are the best photos I was able to get. Best wishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I'm always weary of Chinese material but this looks good, I dont see any paint or composite bones, the hands look good. Please wait for other comments always better to get multiple opinions. Image from paper Ji, S. and Ji, Q. (1998). "The first Mesozoic frog from China (Amphibia: Anura), Liaobatrachus grabaui gen. et sp. nov." Chinese Geology, March 1998: 39-49. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MohammadAAK Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Troodon said: I'm always weary of Chinese material but this looks good, I dont see any paint or composite bones, the hands look good. Please wait for other comments always better to get multiple opinions. Image from paper Ji, S. and Ji, Q. (1998). "The first Mesozoic frog from China (Amphibia: Anura), Liaobatrachus grabaui gen. et sp. nov." Chinese Geology, March 1998: 39-49. Thank you, the paper is really helpful. If I’m not wrong, the current specimen seems more complete than the published one, especially when considering the phalanges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MohammadAAK Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 Any idea what the circle forms are around the frog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Guess shells. Definitely looks more complete if it's the same one, not a frog expert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marguy Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, MohammadAAK said: Any idea what the circle forms are around the frog? maybe Eosestheria (crustacea) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Check this paper: Anurans from the Lower Cretaceous Jehol Group of Western Liaoning, China https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0069723 " The diagnosis of Liaobatrachus is revised, and a new diagnosis is provided for each species of this genus" I don't think this frog is from the Early Cretaceous of Liaoning. The very large Eosestheria rather speak for the Late Cretaceous of Jiayin Jiamusi, Heilongjiang Province (Yuliangzi Formation). As far as I know the anurans from there are not yet described. Thomas Edited October 7, 2020 by oilshale misspelling 5 Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Andy- Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 It's a real frog based on the details. Those round things around it are clam shrimps 2 Looking forward to meeting my fellow Singaporean collectors! Do PM me if you are a Singaporean, or an overseas fossil-collector coming here for a holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MohammadAAK Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, marguy said: maybe Eosestheria (crustacea) 2 hours ago, oilshale said: Check this paper: Anurans from the Lower Cretaceous Jehol Group of Western Liaoning, China https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0069723 " The diagnosis of Liaobatrachus is revised, and a new diagnosis is provided for each species of this genus" I don't think this frog is from the Early Cretaceous of Liaoning. The very large Eosestheria rather speak for the Late Cretaceous of Jiayin Jiamusi, Heilingjiang Province (Yuliangzi Formation). As far as I know the anurans from there are not yet described. Thomas Thank you both. The seller admitted he's not certain of the locality information, which could it make possible to be from elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MohammadAAK Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, -Andy- said: It's a real frog based on the details. Those round things around it are clam shrimps Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 This looks purty good to me. Obviously was in pieces and not the best repair job and I would love to be able to look at it with my #10 opti-visor on to be able to check out every detail. But looks purty good. RB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 The presence of the clam shrimps, Eosestheria sp., which occurs in large quantity in Yixian formation, indicates the authenticity of the frog. The bones look very genuine to me though I am not sure if there is any painting over the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pemphix Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 On 07.01.2020 at 9:05 AM, Crazyhen said: The presence of the clam shrimps, Eosestheria sp., which occurs in large quantity in Yixian formation, indicates the authenticity of the frog. The bones look very genuine to me though I am not sure if there is any painting over the body. I agree to that. Especially the "skin-shadow" and some of the bones should be watched carefully under a microscope. Photos provided are not close enough to see those details. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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