Wendy from TX Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 My husband and I are driving from Texas to Canada. We are both Science teachers and avid fossil hunters in TX. Could someone advise us on where we could collect fossils. I just want a few to bring back for my classroom and to my students. I educate about 350 students in the 6th grade each year with rocks and fossils found all over the US. Would love to find a few to show them. I would even be willing to bring some with me to exchange with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pemphix Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 You may have a look here: More topics about Canada: http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/forum/143-canada/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creek - Don Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I'm sure that you are going to hunt fossils in the summer. Snow depth is between 2 to 24 inches this time of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinosaur man Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Can’t wait to see what you find, but you must remember there are strict fossils laws there too! 11 hours ago, Wendy from TX said: My husband and I are driving from Texas to Canada. We are both Science teachers and avid fossil hunters in TX. Could someone advise us on where we could collect fossils. I just want a few to bring back for my classroom and to my students. I educate about 350 students in the 6th grade each year with rocks and fossils found all over the US. Would love to find a few to show them. I would even be willing to bring some with me to exchange with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinosaur man Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 The areas with most fossil abundance is probably Dinosaur Provincial Park, Drumheller and Pipestone Creek, those are just a few I could name a lot more!! There are so many fossil resources and places here it’s unimaginable!! But a lot of these places fossil collecting is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Welcome to the Fossil Forum! Canada is rather a large place, it's difficult to offer advice without knowing where you will be going. You do mention Alberta in a tag, so I'll assume you're headed that direction. You should be aware that it is illegal to remove any fossil, vertebrate or invertebrate, from the province without a permit. Bummer, but that is the law there. Also as it is mid winter you may have to remove several feet of snowdrifts to get to any fossils. Don 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacationgirl Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I live in Calgary Alberta and love hiking and collecting fossils in Horseshoe and Horse Thief Canyons. (Only Alberta residents can collect surface fossils). The area near Drumheller, AB is beautiful in the summer. Dinosaur Provincial Park, near Brooks, AB is great for hiking - no Fossil collection here. While hiking in The Park I found my 1st dinosaur tooth - I almost cried I wanted to keep it so badly 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Wow! and it was a beauty too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandpa Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 @Vacationgirl I certainly feel your pain. And to know that tooth will be lost to weathering and no scientific knowledge gained from it because (IMHO) of flawed legal restrictions, only adds to the pain. Glad you were able to capture good detail in the photo. However, an in-hands inspection and measurement of the various features of the tooth would have added much more scientific value to the find. That said, the law is the law. The responsible position is to educate the law-makers as to the consequences of their laws, both positive and negative, so that they can make more educated decisions in their passage of future laws. This takes the combined action of a group (call it "lobby') of interested amateur and professional paleontologists to educate the lawmakers. Until then - the law is still the law! ( @dinosaur man Young man, here is your challenge that fits your passion and interest. Start with contacting your representative law-maker.) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Vacationgirl said: While hiking in The Park I found my 1st dinosaur tooth Now that´s a nice mother-nature-prep with some weathering adding character! But what is really going on here (erosion? wear?)? And do you know family etc.? @Troodon Franz Bernhard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pemphix Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 50 minutes ago, FranzBernhard said: Now that´s a nice mother-nature-prep with some weathering adding character! But what is really going on here (erosion? wear?)? And do you know family etc.? @Troodon Franz Bernhard Wearing facet imho. Since no serration count and shape is known actually no safe id possible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, FranzBernhard said: Now that´s a nice mother-nature-prep with some weathering adding character! But what is really going on here (erosion? wear?)? And do you know family etc.? @Troodon Franz Bernhard Yes badlands like these are formed by wind and rain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 48 minutes ago, Pemphix said: Wearing facet imho. Since no serration count and shape is known actually no safe id possible. 29 minutes ago, Troodon said: Yes badlands like these are formed by wind and rain. Thank you so much!! Such a nice accentuation of the wear due to weathering, and serration still so nicely preserved! Wonderful! Franz Bernhard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Pemphix said: Wearing facet imho. Since no serration count and shape is known actually no safe id possible. Its indeed is a beautiful wear facet. Its a Tyrannosaurid tooth either Daspletosaurus or Gorgosaurus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 hours ago, grandpa said: @Vacationgirl I certainly feel your pain. And to know that tooth will be lost to weathering and no scientific knowledge gained from it because (IMHO) of flawed legal restrictions, only adds to the pain. Glad you were able to capture good detail in the photo. However, an in-hands inspection and measurement of the various features of the tooth would have added much more scientific value to the find. That said, the law is the law. The responsible position is to educate the law-makers as to the consequences of their laws, both positive and negative, so that they can make more educated decisions in their passage of future laws. This takes the combined action of a group (call it "lobby') of interested amateur and professional paleontologists to educate the lawmakers. Until then - the law is still the law! ( @dinosaur man Young man, here is your challenge that fits your passion and interest. Start with contacting your representative law-maker.) I want to point out that the law exists because of the actions of many American and European museums. At one time there were no laws restricting the collection of Alberta dinosaurs, or their removal from the Province. Museums including the American Museum of Natural History, the Smithsonian, and many others would hire professional collectors, notably the Sternbergs, to provide them with dinosaurs for their exhibit halls. Late in the game Canadian museums, including the Canadian Museum of Natural History and the ROM, also got in the game and employed the Sternbergs. These professional collectors concentrated on complete articulated skeletons and removed many, to the point where for a time such fossils were essentially stripped from the outcrop. The Albertan population were not happy that they had to go to Washington DC, to Chicago, to Ottawa or Toronto, or to Europe to see Alberta dinosaurs. The "heritage laws" that were passed are (IMHO) overly restrictive, but they are a direct response to the pillaging attitude of the day, where no consideration was given to the local jurisdiction and population. Don 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinosaur man Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, FossilDAWG said: I want to point out that the law exists because of the actions of many American and European museums. At one time there were no laws restricting the collection of Alberta dinosaurs, or their removal from the Province. Museums including the American Museum of Natural History, the Smithsonian, and many others would hire professional collectors, notably the Sternbergs, to provide them with dinosaurs for their exhibit halls. Late in the game Canadian museums, including the Canadian Museum of Natural History and the ROM, also got in the game and employed the Sternbergs. These professional collectors concentrated on complete articulated skeletons and removed many, to the point where for a time such fossils were essentially stripped from the outcrop. The Albertan population were not happy that they had to go to Washington DC, to Chicago, to Ottawa or Toronto, or to Europe to see Alberta dinosaurs. The "heritage laws" that were passed are (IMHO) overly restrictive, but they are a direct response to the pillaging attitude of the day, where no consideration was given to the local jurisdiction and population. Don I heard that's why they built the Royal Tyrell Museum so the people of Alberta had a dinosaur museum with there provinces fossils in there area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, dinosaur man said: I heard that's why they built the Royal Tyrell Museum so the people of Alberta had a dinosaur museum with there provinces fossils in there area. I also have heard that. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacationgirl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Troodon said: Its indeed is a beautiful wear facet. Its a Tyrannosaurid tooth either Daspletosaurus or Gorgosaurus After finding the tooth I went to the information building to let them know I found. I showed them the picture and they believe that it was a Gorgosaurus tooth. Good call Troodon. Edited January 17, 2020 by Vacationgirl My response was added to Troodon’s reply 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Vacationgirl said: I showed them the picture and they believe that it was a Gorgosaurus Did they recover the tooth? This would be a nice way to preserve such beauties: Report the find to the official people there (as you have done) and give them the coordinates so they can recover it. This would certainly relief some pain from the finder and contribute in the long run also to science/museums/education etc. The finder should receive a small report with all the relevant data, including some good pics. Franz Bernhard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacationgirl Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 As far as I know they didn’t recover the tooth. I offered to give the information centre the GPS coordinates but they weren’t interested. I was told that “they” probably already knew about it he location of the tooth. Good idea Franz, since the Tyrell Museum excavates in the park I will provide them with the GPS coordinates and let them decide what they will do with the tooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Unfortunately teeth or bones like the one you found will probably go uncollected and will shortly disappear. A good friend of mine occasionally goes with sanctioned Dinosaur Park digs with paleontologists and their only interest is in associated material. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Troodon said: their only interest is in associated material. I can understand this - not much to gain for the profs from a single tooth or bone. But for the park or museum itself - they could even make money out of that! And a lot of people happy! (I know, I know, I am an unteachable idealist...) Franz Bernhard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, FranzBernhard said: I can understand this - not much to gain for the profs from a single tooth or bone. But for the park or museum itself - they could even make money out of that! And a lot of people happy! (I know, I know, I am an unteachable idealist...) Franz Bernhard The Tyrrell will not sell real dinosaur fossils and although not sure they cannot just give it to them since they dont have rights to that material without proper permits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandpa Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 7 hours ago, FranzBernhard said: I am an unteachable idealist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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