BobWill Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 This tooth came from the Finis Shale at Jacksboro Texas. That's in the Virgil Series, Cisco Group, Graham Formation, Late Pennsylvanian. It seems large for Orodus variabilis and has some extra odd protrusions on the lingual side that don't match the smaller ones I usually find. Is there another species we can find there or is this normal? @JGM 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manticocerasman Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 @Archie might have an idea growing old is mandatory but growing up is optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSRhunter Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I have one roughly the same size from Jacksboro as well, will have to send you pictures once I get ahold of it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruger9a Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 6 hours ago, BobWill said: This tooth came from the Finis Shale at Jacksboro Texas. That's in the Virgil Series, Cisco Group, Graham Formation, Late Pennsylvanian. It seems large for Orodus variabilis and has some extra odd protrusions on the lingual side that don't match the smaller ones I usually find. Is there another species we can find there or is this normal? @JGM Bob, I have what looks to be some Orodus teeth as well but am not sure. Could I send you some photos for verification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWill Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Ruger9a said: Bob, I have what looks to be some Orodus teeth as well but am not sure. Could I send you some photos for verification? Sure, or you can just post them on this sub-forum and let the real experts have a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruger9a Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, BobWill said: Sure, or you can just post them on this sub-forum and let the real experts have a go. Thanks Bob, I didn't want to distract from your original post. Since it's OK with you, here they are. Am I barking up the wrong tree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Ruger9a said: Thanks Bob, I didn't want to distract from your original post. Since it's OK with you, here they are. Am I barking up the wrong tree? Do all the “peaks” have the net like texture? They sort of look like the nodes of a coiled cephalopod with encrusting bryozoa. What are they composed of? Cephalopod fragments should fizz in acid since they are calcium carbonate. Teeth should not fizz in acid. If the net like pin prick texture extends into the center of the structure then they might be teeth. Better close up pictures of the surface of the fossils will help us determine what they are. 2 My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, DPS Ammonite said: Do all the “peaks” have the net like texture? They sort of look like the nodes of a coiled cephalopod with encrusting bryozoa. What are they composed of? Cephalopod fragments should fizz in acid since they are calcium carbonate. Teeth should not fizz in acid. If the net like pin prick texture extends into the center of the structure then they might be teeth. Better close up pictures of the surface of the fossils will help us determine what they are. That was my first impression as well. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruger9a Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I haven't done any prep on these. Should I soak them in vinegar, I don't have any Muriatic acid. Or just take close up photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 52 minutes ago, Ruger9a said: I haven't done any prep on these. Should I soak them in vinegar, I don't have any Muriatic acid. Or just take close up photos? Put a drop or two of vinegar on them as a test to see if they fizz. Then take better close up photos. What do you see with a lens? Does the pin prick net like texture occur on all nodes? Does the texture extend thru the structure? 1 My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Thats a gorgeous big tooth, it does look like Orodus variabilis. Not sure about your specimens @Ruger9a where they are broken there doesnt appear to be the dentine tubules you would expect to see in the cross section of a Holocephalan tooth crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruger9a Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I'm really dreading this......but I took more photos to try and help with the identification. I just cannot seem to take good photos. Oh, I soaked them in 100% white vinegar for 30 minutes and the "humps" did not have any reaction. There was tiny, tiny fizzing on the flat part and around the ends for a few minutes. Here goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruger9a Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Here are the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 A mystery. Lack of fizzing in acid, dark coloration and textures does look like teeth or bone material. Now we need some more info to help with ID. Where did these come from? Age? Jacksboro? @Ruger9a My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 That piece kind of reminds me of a lungfish tooth. “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruger9a Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 They were not together, I thought they were the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruger9a Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Last set with different camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWill Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 I agree with DPD Ammonite these look more like the nautiloid Tainoceras sp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruger9a Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 17 hours ago, DPS Ammonite said: A mystery. Lack of fizzing in acid, dark coloration and textures does look like teeth or bone material. Now we need some more info to help with ID. Where did these come from? Age? Jacksboro? @Ruger9a All I have was a description stating "nice teeth from Texas", sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruger9a Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Texas had "?" after it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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