JooJ Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Nothing to say about it other than the pic. I found it as is and did nothing except cleaning with water. So pretty. any ideas what it might be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 This one has me baffled. Can you tell us anything about the geology? Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Interesting specimen, thanks for posting! Questions: - is it 2D or 3D? - host rock is a (marly) limestone? To me, it looks more like some anorganic crystallization (calcium carbonate? gypsum? something else?) around a nucleus that seems at least texturally different than the surrounding matrix. The chambering is a little bit odd for anorganic crystallization, though. But I am leaning more towards anorganic than fossil. Franz Bernhard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 It looks like a favositid type coral in cross section. Can you tell us more about where you found it? 2 -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TqB Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Shamalama said: It looks like a favositid type coral in cross section. Can you tell us more about where you found it? I agree, or just possibly a large rugose with dissepiments. What's the diameter? (I don't know how big the coin is!) Tarquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JooJ Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 > I posted pics of the back side. There are some trace of marine fossil (?) > the 2 Euro coin is about 15% bigger than a USA quarter > It's more limestone but I am not sure. Not in a position to affirm that. Lots of coral pieces I got from the area. > it is 2D and diameter 3mcm > Found in the anti mount Lebanon range (mid) at 1500+ elevation. Those hills are the natural separation between syria and Lebanon. When the war started in Syria, there was an attempt of ISIS to attack Lebanon very close to the site. Bulldozers rush to extract sand from hills to make sand bags for defenders, I would go to this place and look for fossil (my ancestral village and parents live in the area) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JooJ Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 Diameter : 30cm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsnake Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Pyrite sun? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plax Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Cross section of a large cone of some sort? this is obviously a guess. The repeating shapes around the margin look organic to me. Sorry to read about the problems in your home land. I hope that you and your family are safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 The oldest rocks of Lebanon seem to be Jurassic, so paleozoic corals can be ruled out: Thanks for all the extra infos and pics, @JooJ! Sure there are marine fossils in it and it is some sort of somewhat impure limestone. 2 hours ago, JooJ said: the 2 Euro coin is about 15% bigger than a USA quarter You are a funny guy!! For our overseas friends, the coin is about 2.6 cm in diameter, a very little more than 1 inch (at least the Dutch 2 Euro coin that I have right next to me ) 1 hour ago, Bullsnake said: Pyrite sun? You could be into something! Although I can not clearly see some Fe-sulfide, it could be a pseudomorph. But I am uncertain about it. Franz Bernhard 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandpa Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Plax said: Sorry to read about the problems in your home land. I hope that you and your family are safe I echo this sentiment and thank you for sharing your personal experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 A very poorly preserved Cyclobatis ? 3 Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 This looks too much like a marine fossil to be a mineral. Minerals do not crystallize in limestone with segmented chambers. Favosities would be the wrong age, so maybe bryzoan colony? Or some other coral? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Mark Kmiecik said: A very poorly preserved Cyclobatis ? You got it!!! Franz Bernhard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 hours ago, FranzBernhard said: You got it!!! Franz Bernhard Surely you jest ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Rockwood said: Surely you jest ? No joke, in my oppinion @Mark Kmiecik has it correctly IDed. Franz Bernhard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I'm more in the Chaetetid sponge camp as @TqB suggested, since coral is ruled out. 1 -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Shamalama said: I'm more in the Chaetetid sponge camp @JooJ says, the specimen is 2D! Franz Bernhard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, FranzBernhard said: @JooJ says, the specimen is 2D! Franz Bernhard Split when the rock did so that we are looking at a cross section? Can sponges not split? -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, Shamalama said: Split when the rock did so that we are looking at a cross section? Can sponges not split? Sure! I just took this literally: 20 hours ago, JooJ said: it is 2D @JooJ, we clearly need more data! Thank you so much! Btw, diameter of "tubes" appears to be about 2.5 mm. Isn´t that a little bit large for a chaetetid sponge? I don´t know the maximum tube diameter of these sponges, though. Franz Bernhard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, FranzBernhard said: No joke, in my oppinion @Mark Kmiecik has it correctly IDed. Franz Bernhard Wouldn't a ray that size have just slightly more substance than a jelly fish ? Are you saying that just some skin was preserved ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I don't think this is a Cyclobatis. I've not seen any kind of mineralization like this item has, on a ray fossil. 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranzBernhard Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Rockwood said: Wouldn't a ray that size have just slightly more substance than a jelly fish ? Are you saying that just some skin was preserved ? I don´t know anything about rays. I have just googled the genus suggested by @Mark Kmiecik and I see similarities, especially the "tube like, chambered structures" at the outer rim. And Lebanon seems to be famous for this genus. Lets see, if @Mark Kmiecik has more to say about it. In the meantime: Any further suggestions ? Franz Bernhard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, FranzBernhard said: In the meantime: Any further suggestions Belemnite phragmocone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I can see the similarities, but they don't really look the same. I see NONE of the other structures apparent in most of the other Cyclobatis fossils I see online. 3 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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