Notidanodon Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Hi guys I was in a rush but can take better pics at a later time, so far my tentative IDs are hemipristis Serra and isurus praecursor for right and left of 1st pic but no idea on the others (maybe galeocerdo In the middle though) those id’s were all of the top of my head so no real idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notidanodon Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share Posted February 16, 2020 Also from the Eocene of ouled abdoun phyllodus topicalis? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notidanodon Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share Posted February 16, 2020 Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praefectus Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 The teeth in your first picture are Isurus praecursor, Galeocerdo latidens, and Hemipristis curvatus. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilsAnonymous Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Will, I would agree with some form of phyllodus mouthplate. @Praefectus has it right on the dot with the other teeth. 1 On The Hunt For The Trophy Otodus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoSr Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Could you post a lingual view picture of the three teeth on the left in the below picture? Marco Sr. 2 "Any day that you can fossil hunt is a great day." My family fossil website Some Of My Shark, Ray, Fish And Other Micros My Extant Shark Jaw Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Hi Marco Sr., I think you're thinking what I'm thinking. Jess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praefectus Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 @siteseer @MarcoSr What are you thinking the three teeth on the left are? I wasn't entirely sure about the isurus praecursor ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Praefectus said: @siteseer @MarcoSr What are you thinking the three teeth on the left are? I wasn't entirely sure about the isurus praecursor ID. I won't keep you in suspense. Pending a lingual view of the three teeth on the left, I think the one on the left and the one on the bottom could be Alopias teeth. Jess 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praefectus Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, siteseer said: I won't keep you in suspense. Pending a lingual view of the three teeth on the left, I think the one on the left and the one on the bottom could be Alopias teeth. Jess I think you are right. I made the call too fast. Alopias fits the shape of the root better. Did you have a specific species in mind? Maybe Alopias ...alabamensis??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Praefectus said: I think you are right. I made the call too fast. Alopias fits the shape of the root better. Did you have a specific species in mind? Maybe Alopias ...alabamensis??? Maybe. The crown seems broader, though. I think I've seen a tooth like that from Harleyville where it's very rare. Marco Sr. has seen a lot of Eocene teeth from the east coast. We'll all wait for the lingual views. @isurus90064 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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isurus90064 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Thanks for including siteseer. Alopias alabamensis to me. In the literature Alopias from ad-Dakhla is listed as Alopias cff. alabamensis - "A Middle–Late Eocene vertebrate fauna (marine fish and mammals) from southwestern Morocco; preliminary report: age and palaeobiogeographical implications", SYLVAIN ADNET, HENRI CAPPETTA & RODOLPHE TABUCE, 2009. 3 Fossil shark teeth from all over: http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/2380-extraordinary-common-teeth/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoSr Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 6 hours ago, siteseer said: I won't keep you in suspense. Pending a lingual view of the three teeth on the left, I think the one on the left and the one on the bottom could be Alopias teeth. Jess 6 hours ago, siteseer said: Maybe. The crown seems broader, though. I think I've seen a tooth like that from Harleyville where it's very rare. Marco Sr. has seen a lot of Eocene teeth from the east coast. We'll all wait for the lingual views. @isurus90064 I was thinking Alopias and from the new pictures I would id those three teeth as Alopias. Alopias are not common at all in the Eocene Nanjemoy formation of Maryland and Virginia. I have only found a single specimen (7 mm). See the below pictures. This tooth will be described in an update to Publication 152 on the Fisher/Sullivan site. Alopias was more common in the Eocene of Alabama. Marco Sr. 2 "Any day that you can fossil hunt is a great day." My family fossil website Some Of My Shark, Ray, Fish And Other Micros My Extant Shark Jaw Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notidanodon Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 I have only 1 from the uk from lee on solent so they are not common here either, thanks so much @MarcoSr @siteseer @Praefectus @isurus90064 Do you happen to have any info on the formation these teeth come from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isurus90064 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 22 hours ago, will stevenson said: I have only 1 from the uk from lee on solent so they are not common here either, thanks so much @MarcoSr @siteseer @Praefectus @isurus90064 Do you happen to have any info on the formation these teeth come from @will stevenson This is the only paper I'm aware of that covers that genus from that location. It's naming Alopias leensis, a sp. nov. Would be good to see some pics of your tooth. "Additions to the fish fauna of the english Palaeogene; 1. two new species of Alopias (thresher shark) from the english eocene, Ward, D.J. 1978". Not sure if David or anyone else has published any updates on the matter considering this paper was published more than 40 years ago. 2 Fossil shark teeth from all over: http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/2380-extraordinary-common-teeth/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Adnet and Cappetta referred to these as Alopias aff. alabamensis in their 2010 paper on Dakhla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I would call the two circled teeth Physogaleus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notidanodon Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 58 minutes ago, Al Dente said: I would call the two circled teeth Physogaleus. In the uk we have physogaleus segundus is that it, should I just name the other indet. carchariformes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/18/2020 at 3:48 AM, isurus90064 said: @will stevenson This is the only paper I'm aware of that covers that genus from that location. It's naming Alopias leensis, a sp. nov. Would be good to see some pics of your tooth. "Additions to the fish fauna of the english Palaeogene; 1. two new species of Alopias (thresher shark) from the english eocene, Ward, D.J. 1978". Not sure if David or anyone else has published any updates on the matter considering this paper was published more than 40 years ago. Hi Isurus90064, There's just a listing and figure of it in Kemp, Kemp, and Ward (1990). .As Will Stevenson said, it is an uncommon find and that might be putting it mildly. I've never seen one and it's apparently known from just one bed based on that publication. Jess Kemp, D., L. Kemp, and D. Ward. 1990. An Illustrated Guide to the British Middle Eocene Vertebrates. David Ward (publisher). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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