The Jersey Devil Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) Hi everyone, I have this strange fossil from the New Jersey Cretaceous. When I first found it, I thought it was a sponge. Now I am kind of confused about it. It has a lot of “buds” on it that are embedded on a bony(??) “base” that has striations (might be hard to see this in pictures). I am really hoping that it is a fish mouth plate. Another thing is that there appear to be more small “buds” emerging from the bony(??) “base.” I appreciate any input! Let me know if better pics are needed, I’ll try to make them sharper. @non-remanié @Al Dente @MarcoSr @siteseer @Trevor @frankh8147 @Carl Edited February 17, 2020 by The Jersey Devil 3 “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieLynn Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I think I know this one!! Drum fish mouth plate. But I might be wrong. See what the experts say! 1 www.fossil-quest.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, JamieLynn said: I think I know this one!! Drum fish mouth plate. But I might be wrong. See what the experts say! That would be great! But I think drum fish appeared more recently than the Cretaceous. “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 No drum fish in the Cretaceous. Sorry. I believe it is some type of Pycnodontiforme mouth plate. Or at least part of one. 3 Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 Just now, sixgill pete said: No drum fish in the Cretaceous. Sorry. I believe it is some type of Pycnodontiforme mouth plate. The only reported pycnodont that I’ve heard of from NJ was Anomoeodus phaseolus. Do you know what potential genus this could belong to? “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Parabulla? 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: Parabulla? Doesn’t Paralbula have a layered pattern to the teeth? “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
non-remanié Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 The "teeth" look metallic to me. It doesn't look like bone, rather some sort of conglomerate. The "bone" might be wood. Definitely a strange one! 2 ---Wie Wasser schleift den Stein, wir steigen und fallen--- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokietech96 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 this is the an image on google of a paralbula mouth plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokietech96 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Your "buds" look in way better condition and more distinct than the pictures I found. Very cool find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, hokietech96 said: Your "buds" look in way better condition and more distinct than the pictures I found. Very cool find! That pic is off my website. Looks like this one might not even be a mouth plate at all. “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokietech96 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, The Jersey Devil said: That pic is off my website. Looks like this one might not even be a mouth plate at all. Haha. I thought it was your website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, non-remanié said: The "teeth" look metallic to me. It doesn't look like bone, rather some sort of conglomerate. The "bone" might be wood. Definitely a strange one! Aw man. I thought it was something cool. The “bone” and “tooth” texture looked odd but I was hoping it was something new. Would an in person look help? I don’t want to chuck it just yet... “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, non-remanié said: The "teeth" look metallic to me. It doesn't look like bone, rather some sort of conglomerate. The "bone" might be wood. Definitely a strange one! I agree. There are a lot of large quartz sand grains on the bottom and sides. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Al Dente said: I agree. There are a lot of large quartz sand grains on the bottom and sides. What would the quartz grains indicate? @non-remanié So basically the piece of fossil wood got some slag growing on it and some conglomerate stuck to the other side? “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 This might be a Teredolites sp. trace fossil: clams burrows in wood. It is especially likely if most of the rock is mud, silt and sand. Clams burrowed into wood which were filled with sediment. The wood eroded away leaving the burrows. Is the rock mostly sediment as apposed to tooth material? The photos need to be more detailed to find diagnostic features. Look for parallel wood grain impressions on top of the bulbs and on their planar substrate. I think that I see slight parallel striations going direction of red arrow. If true then this is likely Teredolites. See Teredolites clavatus from this paper. See photo E: Leszczyński, Stanisław. (2010). Coniacian-?Santonian paralic sedimentation in the Rakowice Małe area of the North Sudetic Basin, SW Poland: sedimentary facies, ichnological record and palaeogeographical reconstruction of an evolving marine embayment. Annales Societatis Geologorum Poloniae. 8 6 My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 It certainly is unusual. Not sure what it is, but I don't think those are teeth. 1 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
non-remanié Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, DPS Ammonite said: This might be a Teredolites sp. trace fossil: clams burrows in wood. It is especially likely if most of the rock is mud, silt and sand. Clams burrowed into wood which were filled with sediment. The wood eroded away leaving the burrows. Is the rock mostly sediment as apposed to tooth material? The photos need to be more detailed to find diagnostic features. Look for parallel wood grain impressions on top of the bulbs and on their planar substrate. I think that I see slight parallel striations going direction of red arrow. If true then this is likely Teredolites. See Teredolites clavatus from this paper. See photo E: Leszczyński, Stanisław. (2010). Coniacian-?Santonian paralic sedimentation in the Rakowice Małe area of the North Sudetic Basin, SW Poland: sedimentary facies, ichnological record and palaeogeographical reconstruction of an evolving marine embayment. Annales Societatis Geologorum Poloniae. 8 This possibility crossed my mind as well. The elongated "teeth" do look very much like teredolites, but I really think its something like molten slag droplets embedded in a mostly disintegrated piece of wood. An iron conglomerate formed around it capturing the coarse sand grains on the underneath. 2 ---Wie Wasser schleift den Stein, wir steigen und fallen--- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 18 hours ago, The Jersey Devil said: What would the quartz grains indicate? If these were teeth, I would expect them to be rooted in bone. The sand grains tell me it is lithified sediment and not bone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jersey Devil Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Here are some more pictures: Edited February 18, 2020 by The Jersey Devil “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” ― Mikhail Tal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 I, too, don't see teeth. Hits me as some kind of trace fossil. I agree that Teredolites is a good bet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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