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I know I have posted more than one specimen recently asking about it being a whale tooth or not.  I have trouble with these small tooth ID's and apologize for the repeated questions. Tis latest one has me wondering between whale tooth or possibly an incisor of some type. Here are the photos of that one:20200401_105848_resized.png.jpeg.044b6b62edad392b5497b1df1b2178e7.jpeg

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Any in put is appreciated.  The next item I think is a possible claw:

 

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Sorry for the blurriness on the last photo.  I tried several times but couldn't get it to focus better.  Hopefully the combined photos are sufficient.

Thanks for any input!

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The first I think is some highly worn unidentifiable tooth of some kind (maybe odontocete), but could also just be river tumbled bone. 

The second is a highly worn shark tooth which is missing some of its enamel and the projections of the roots. 

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Given your hunting area, the 2nd is almost certainly a very worn Meg, with a less than 25% chance to the possibility of Mako.

I do not believe that the 1st is whale. You have a 1.6 inch segment of a canine with an enamel tip:

The shape seems wrong to me. Only whale Scaldicetus has the enamel tip in the Peace River and this tooth is too small for Scaldicetus.

I found a 1.6 inch Dolphin tooth , which is super rare at that size in the Peace. This post:

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Here is the tooth flipped for comparison:

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I think it unlikely to be another dolphin tooth like this one:  You have to compare to any and all other possible predator teeth in the range of 1.6 inches in the Peace River. I think one possibility is Puma Concolor, another dire wolf  but hopefully @Harry Pristis will be able to list more possibilities..

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Thanks Jack!  I looked at your previous post and see it sure doesn't fit the dolphin.  If Puma Concolor or Dire Wolf it would be a thrilling first for me. I'll start searching those and other possibles right away.  Hopefully @Harry Pristis will weigh in also.

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11 minutes ago, PODIGGER said:

Thanks Jack!  I looked at your previous post and see it sure doesn't fit the dolphin.  If Puma Concolor or Dire Wolf it would be a thrilling first for me. I'll start searching those and other possibles right away.  Hopefully @Harry Pristis will weigh in also.

 

Take a look at this thread.. Still prefer Harry to provide a view...  Jack

 

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Sorry.  I do not recognize these objects.

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Thanks for taking a look Harry.

 

Jack - I looked at the latest thread you provided and also found a couple of more Dire Wolf photos on Worthpoint.  I believe that is the right ID!  With that ID it also has me suspecting a prior find may be another partial from a Dire Wolf.  It was found in the same place a few weeks ago.  In a prior post Boesse opined that it was a "terrestrial carnivore" but only a single root of a double rooted tooth.  Here it is again -

 

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I sent the photos of this earlier find in to Dr Hulbert a few days ago after getting Boesse's opinion.  I didn't get a response yet but am not surprised with all that is going on in the world.  It would be a nice coincidence if these two finds were related.

Thanks for your help!

 

Jim

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1 hour ago, PODIGGER said:

Thanks for taking a look Harry.

 

Jack - I looked at the latest thread you provided and also found a couple of more Dire Wolf photos on Worthpoint.  I believe that is the right ID!  With that ID it also has me suspecting a prior find may be another partial from a Dire Wolf.  It was found in the same place a few weeks ago.  In a prior post Boesse opined that it was a "terrestrial carnivore" but only a single root of a double rooted tooth.  Here it is again -

I sent the photos of this earlier find in to Dr Hulbert a few days ago after getting Boesse's opinion.  I didn't get a response yet but am not surprised with all that is going on in the world.  It would be a nice coincidence if these two finds were related.

Thanks for your help!

 

Jim

 

:fistbump: Glad to Help, Jim.  I always like to enhance my predator identification skills!! It is difficult on your enamel tip because most of the identifications of dire wolf versus bear versus cat depend on variations in the shapes of the roots.

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