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Bartonian molluscs and urchins


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fifbrindacier

Hi everybody, i'd like to lighted by your opinions on those Bartonian fossils from Blaye on the estuary of the Gironde.

Firstly, those urchins. Blaye is a place where exist endemic urchins. I made a little research on myself and found some names.

 

Echinolampas burdigalensis ? (maybe sismondia for the upper one ?)

 

1)

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3) Echinolampas stellifera ?

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Those gastropods : 

Olividea ?

Olivancillaria ? Terebellum ?

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Bivalves :

1)

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3)

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4)

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5)

Tellinidae ? Arcopagia for the one in the middle ? 

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6)

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To big for Sismondia. All are Echinolampas. For the species, you can clean them a lot.

E.stellifera is very high. Not like here

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Thank you Dominique, it's hard to clean them with the tools i have without risking scratching them. But i think i can do more.

Do you think a bit of diluted vinegar can be useful for those urchins also ?

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Yes, vinegar can help you. But you must reduce gangue as much as possible

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Before anyone else asks....fortunatley, both of these folks are French so they understand that 'gangue' is French for 'matrix'.  

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1 hour ago, jpc said:

Before anyone else asks....fortunatley, both of these folks are French so they understand that 'gangue' is French for 'matrix'.  

Yes, you're right, matrix can be translated by matrice which has a sense somehow maternal : of reproduction and/or creation. For example in the sentence : "Moulds are used to copy imprints of fossils" would be translated by : "C'est avec une matrice que l'on reproduit une empreinte de fossile".

The world "gangue" means, concerning stones, you're speaking about something without value that wrap something of value.

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In English (Texan a la grandpa) we say the "matrix" the fossil is in and the "gangue" material (a.k.a. "ore dressing") the mineral is found in.

 

[Wikipedia:  gangue ( / ɡ æ ŋ / ) [1] is the commercially worthless material that surrounds, or is closely mixed with, a wanted mineral in an ore deposit .]

 

[Fossil Wiki:  Matrix is the sedimentary rock that has formed around the fossilized remains of an organism ]

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2 minutes ago, grandpa said:

In English (Texan a la grandpa) we say the "matrix" the fossil is in and the "gangue" material (a.k.a. "ore dressing") the mineral is found in.

 

[Wikipedia:  gangue ( / ɡ æ ŋ / ) [1] is the commercially worthless material that surrounds, or is closely mixed with, a wanted mineral in an ore deposit .]

 

[Fossil Wiki:  Matrix is the sedimentary rock that has formed around the fossilized remains of an organism ]

well, I had no idea that gangue is also an English word  See, you can learn stuff every day here.  Thanks, grandpa and fifi.

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17 minutes ago, grandpa said:

In English (Texan a la grandpa) we say the "matrix" the fossil is in and the "gangue" material (a.k.a. "ore dressing") the mineral is found in.

 

[Wikipedia:  gangue ( / ɡ æ ŋ / ) [1] is the commercially worthless material that surrounds, or is closely mixed with, a wanted mineral in an ore deposit .]

 

[Fossil Wiki:  Matrix is the sedimentary rock that has formed around the fossilized remains of an organism ]

 

14 minutes ago, jpc said:

well, I had no idea that gangue is also an English word  See, you can learn stuff every day here.  Thanks, grandpa and fifi.

I also didn't know it was the same word in english, thanks grandpa.

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I've cleaned the urchins a bit more with vinegar and here they are :

1) burdigalensis ?

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1) bis

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2) If someone knows how to get rid off that black color i'll be glad. I'd say burdigalensis for this one

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3) I thought this one would be in a better state, ovalis ?

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And i add those ones :

4) burdigalensis ?

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5) burdigalensis ?

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6) ovalis ?

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To remove the black color, maybe some bleach.

 

Coco

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2 hours ago, Coco said:

To remove the black color, maybe some bleach.

 

Coco

I tried it, but the result is not good for now. Maybe should i try again. If you see the previous photo of that urchin, the matrix on it wasn't black at all, it became black with the vinegar, what do you think caused this reaction ?

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