Wrktoomuch Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 These are some things that look like an insense. On every one, there is a sharp rib as a tooth would have. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Do you mean incense? Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrktoomuch Posted May 22, 2020 Author Share Posted May 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ludwigia said: Do you mean incense? Haha, yes that's what I mean. If your not old like me you, you probably won't get the reference, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Wrktoomuch said: Haha, yes that's what I mean. If your not old like me you, you probably won't get the reference, lol. I don't know how old you are, but I'm also not the youngest any more. I really am not sure what those things could be though. I was thinking belemnite, but the structure doesn't seem quite right. Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelivingdead531 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Can we see photos of the base of the objects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 The first two look like belemnite phagmacones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 They look like straight (orthoconic) cephalopods; note septa. My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkus Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 @Al Dente got it right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrktoomuch Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 hours ago, thelivingdead531 said: Can we see photos of the base of the objects? Theses are pics of the base of the 2 larger ones. There is a pic of a comparison with a typical Belamnite that we find. Unless there are different kinds, the Belamnite has a bullet shape, unlike the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrktoomuch Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 12 hours ago, DPS Ammonite said: They look like straight (orthoconic) cephalopods; note septa. I looked this up, and it does look like that. One question, wouldn't they be hollow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Wrktoomuch said: I looked this up, and it does look like that. One question, wouldn't they be hollow? Sort of like “nature abhors a vacuum”; nature abhors a hollow. Most hollows in fossils are now filled with sediment or minerals. If hollows are not filled then many fossils collapse if they are buried deeply. My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 They are definitely belemnite phragmacones. Very common find in the New Jersey brooks. The age is Cretaceous, so not orthocone cephalopods. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I defer to local experts. It does look like a Belemnites. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Belemnitida @Fossildude19 What are the structures that look like septa? Also, I found a paper on an orthoconic cephalopod from the Eocene. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0172169 My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, DPS Ammonite said: What are the structures that look like septa They are septa, just modified and reduced compared to the ones in nautiloids, the belemnite phragmacone is actually a very similar structure to those seen in nautiloids it's just that it was reduced and was on the inside of the animal rather than the outside. Here is a diagram of the structures that make it up: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhiggi Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Wrktoomuch said: Theses are pics of the base of the 2 larger ones. There is a pic of a comparison with a typical Belamnite that we find. Unless there are different kinds, the Belamnite has a bullet shape, unlike the others. The larger item is the rostrum, the others are as others have said the phragmocone. This pic should help 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Better photos almost always solve the problem. Belemnite phragmocone and/or rostrum tip was the very first thing I thought. 1 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TqB Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 The dorsal ridge is characteristic of belemnitellid phragmocones and there's a corresponding groove on the inside of the alveolus. (Not to be confused with the ventral fissure which relates to the fissure under the ventral furrow on the rostrum - this is just in the rostrum and doesn't have a corresponding ridge on the phragmocone.) (Belemnitella sp.. Maastrichtian, Belgium) This is the right way up - groove corresponding to alveolar ridge at the top. And fissure at the bottom: 3 Tarquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrktoomuch Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Wow, amazing! Thank you everyone for helping. Can't wait to share it with my friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 58 minutes ago, Wrktoomuch said: Wow, amazing! Thank you everyone for helping. Can't wait to share it with my friends. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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