thelivingdead531 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Good day, fellow TFF'ers! I need your help in identifying this tooth. It was "seeded" in a bag of Florida matrix I received from the forum's owner through his website. The matrix is only described as from the Miocene, and the seeded material from Eocene to Pleistocene, all from Florida. I have searched for hours online as to what this tooth might have belonged to and have come up with nothing. I'm sure at least one of you will know immediately, so please, help a girl out in giving this tooth its identity back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokietech96 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Looks like a type of whale tooth but I’m no expert. I’m sure you will get a more accurate ID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelivingdead531 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 That’s what I was thinking, but I couldn’t find one that looked similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Rico Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 @Harry Pristis is a great help to the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I'll say its an incisor. Don't think it is whale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymig Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Looks like a bear incisor. Many times I've wondered how much there is to know. led zeppelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntonia Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 This looks like camel or tapir to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbshark Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I'm thinking possibly a camel incisor Every once in a great while it's not just a big rock down there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PODIGGER Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I agree with the incisor ID. Harry should have an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelivingdead531 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, mikeymig said: Looks like a bear incisor. The root of my tooth is more curved than the photos I’ve looked at online, but the crown is somewhat similar. 38 minutes ago, Huntonia said: This looks like camel or tapir to me 38 minutes ago, jcbshark said: I'm thinking possibly a camel incisor I didn’t see any photos that looked similar to mine from camel or tapir, would either of you have a photo that might help me see the similarities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilsAnonymous Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 A tricky one! No matter what it’s cool! On The Hunt For The Trophy Otodus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhw Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 My first thought was a pinniped of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntonia Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 38 minutes ago, thelivingdead531 said: I didn’t see any photos that looked similar to mine from camel or tapir, would either of you have a photo that might help me see the similarities? Here's a picture of a tapir canine found online: Your tooth looks closer to a canine than an incisor to me. Incisors are usually smaller and have thinner roots and duller crowns. Here is a Tapir incisor for reference: Although it could be the incisor of an omnivore or carnivore. Here is a look at a modern black bear skull, your tooth is not dissimilar to the I3: Hope these help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelivingdead531 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Huntonia said: Here's a picture of a tapir canine found online: I can definitely see that being a very close match to mine! That helps immensely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I think Huntonia has it. Tapir canine. 2 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnbuckeye Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Tapir canine looks great, but has anyone looked at premolars???? That is what came to my mind as incisor was being contemplated. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelivingdead531 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, minnbuckeye said: Tapir canine looks great, but has anyone looked at premolars???? That is what came to my mind as incisor was being contemplated. Mike Don’t the premolars have a double root? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelivingdead531 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 Thank you to everyone who has helped me try to identify this tooth! I’m very comfortable assigning tapir canine to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnbuckeye Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Premolar - Wikipedia The premolar teeth, or bicuspids, are transitional teeth located between the canine and molar ... The lower premolars and the upper second premolar usually have one root. ... In primitive placental mammals there are four premolars per quadrant, but the most mesial two (closer to the front of the mouth) have been lost in ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelivingdead531 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, minnbuckeye said: Premolar - Wikipedia The premolar teeth, or bicuspids, are transitional teeth located between the canine and molar ... The lower premolars and the upper second premolar usually have one root. ... In primitive placental mammals there are four premolars per quadrant, but the most mesial two (closer to the front of the mouth) have been lost in ... When I searched for images of tapir premolars it only showed double rooted teeth, but now I see premolars when I look at a whole skull. Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Tapir premolars have double roots, except for the upper P1 (no lower p1) which is quite distinctive and not often seen. 2 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnbuckeye Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Before retiring from the veterinary profession, I extracted MANY teeth. I just couldn't believe this was an incisor. That is when I began thinking premolar. Most premolars I have removed possess shallow root structure, making your tooth unlikely to be a premolar . But premolars can be forgotten. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelivingdead531 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 I now know more about tapir teeth than before, so thank you! I always look forward to learning something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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