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hi guys

i need your help for identification

i have this strange tooth , look like tooth of sperm whale , eocen perhaps ypresian or lutetian.

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Looks more like a piece of shell, to me.  :unsure: 

Oyster or bivalve. 

Seems too robust for fish. 

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hi fossildude

its definitly a piece of bones, i look now on a direction of squids beak, coleoid or rhyncholites...

 

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Cropped and Brightened:

 

 

 

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hi guys

thanks for the amelioration of the pictures. the scale is centimeter. whats about sperm whale tooth ?

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29 minutes ago, jnoun11 said:

whats about sperm whale tooth ?

A sperm whale tooth should have a pulp cavity on the bottom unless it has broken off. Then you should see concentric growth rings. What does the base of your fossil look like? This picture was found on a Google search.
 

 

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it s empty inside , i dont clean the inside because its my only way to know the real age, can be ypresian.

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If this is from one of the phosphate mines, it is too old to be a whale tooth. I believe the earliest whales are Lutetian and they have teeth that are much different than sperm whale teeth.

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i agree with you , i work on basilosaurus or papocetus and they are much more different shapes, but...it can be a lutetian spot in phosphates, or the origin of sperm whale are more ancient than we thinking...

the enamel structure of the crown is like  physeteroids whales but they are lutetian . the lutetian exist in moroccan phosphates horizon f of ben guerir

 

https://books.google.co.ma/books?id=nw230cCn2EoC&pg=PA305&lpg=PA305&dq=lutetian+phosphates+morocco+bed+0&source=bl&ots=cFAhF3t5ZQ&sig=ACfU3U3sezkLuLXajl6OJ-aEJJ7QhhUwTg&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixsYTI4YjqAhUytHEKHX80CH8Q6AEwAHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=lutetian phosphates morocco bed 0&f=false

 

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5aab/bd77ea9b8e64381bfd546b2cbf2c8bba6b79.pdf

 

i m open for all identification or ideas.

thanks for the help.

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hi guys

no clue ? or idea for this tooth?

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somebody tell me that can be a sclerorhynchid rostral tooth, but the size is hudge if so... i keep going to wait more ideas for identifying this tooth...

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What about the possibility of it being a Rudist? 

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1 hour ago, Fossildude19 said:

What about the possibility of it being a Rudist? 

Very slim. Surface texture and "squashed" cross section are not typical for rudists.

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i dont think it s a rudiste the composition of rudistes are homogenous here this "thing" its heterogenous , somebody said too me it can be a pristis tooth, but the size and the curvature make me doubt about this proposition...

i keep seeking..

thanks for the help

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9 hours ago, Fossildude19 said:

What about the possibility of it being a Rudist? 

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The geological age and location is not proper for rudist. They dissapeared forever at the end of Cretaceous.

Also it is very thin for a rudist and have a very nice pointed end. According to the dimensions, can't be an upper valve, just a lower valve, but considering that rudist were fixed with their lower valves to a hard substrate, there might be a root-like tiny attachment mark/scar or similar at the pointed end, not vissible in O.P.-s specimen.

There might be another possibility, for an internal mold of a rudist. In this case the tip will be nicely preserved also other longitudinal/transversal striations.

 

I don't think we are dealing with a rudist or internal mold of one, in my opinion.

 

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hi

so , after further investigations: it s maestrichian, so,the last supposition: its probably the biggest and weirdest pristis ever found in a world.

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hi

i find more material in phosphate , too me look teeth, and i now eliminate pristis . so its big , its maestrichian, its phosphate , exist a canal inside, they are left and right,  if somebody can ask friend or scientist for trying to solving this mystery , welcome.

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hi aldente

its bones , and they didnt go together. interesting idea the rudist , but in phosphate deposit we didnt have invertebrates, or only internal molds.

thanks for the help.

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@Boesse

 

Maybe Bobby has seen something like it.  

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I don't recognize these at all, and suggest that they are either mollusks or perhaps fish teeth. If the latter, they would have to be from a pretty weird fish, but the flaky texture is fish-like - also possible with mollusks, though.

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Thanks, Bobby.  

 

@Carl or his associates may have a lead.

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Could it be a horn core?  If it is Eocene, there were probably some horned beasts then.

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