Carl Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Wow... Big blank for me, too. All of the previous suggestions have merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesse Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 I posted this to twitter, and there were some other paleontologists who thought rudist was the most likely option, and who made the best arguments in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 @jnoun11 Is this calcite based preservation or something else? It looks brittle. If it was a rudist, I would expect calcitic preservation. 2 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 7/14/2020 at 3:43 PM, jnoun11 said: There is an interesting tubular structure in the bottom photo. It may give a clue as to the age and ID of the bigger fossil. It sort of looks like a hollow bone. Any ideas? I agree with others, if this is calcite and Cretaceous, a rudist is a good choice. My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 hi the little bones are pieces of fishes bones. its not a rudist , even the shape. its bones not calcitic . exist clearly two parts , one ,the base or root is bones and the second part the tip is dense and used one face. i keep seeking on a phosphate mine for more clues. The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesse Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 If I may be a by asking this question: how do you know it's not calcite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 hi boesse because i work from more than 30 years everydays with bones material. and lot of time hen you find a rudist , its colony or reef ith lot of them and the phosphate formation didnt have invertebrate in calcite. today i 3D scan the teeth : you can download it here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xn4kwz8b5lud8b0/AAB-vxyf3vvgJ6i1am3ltmrLa?dl=0 for watching it on your computer , you must download a STL viewer like: https://ultimaker.com/fr/software/ultimaker-cura https://3d-viewers.com/fr/stl-viewer.html its free and easy to install. enjoy The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 hours ago, jnoun11 said: hi boesse because i work from more than 30 years everydays with bones material. and lot of time hen you find a rudist , its colony or reef ith lot of them and the phosphate formation didnt have invertebrate in calcite. What are the physical properties of the fossil? Does it fizz in acid? Does it scratch with a metal knife blade? Will a copper coin or fluorite scratch it? Sometimes fossils are moved from area to another; sometimes by humans and sometimes my natural forces. 1 My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 hi dps no reaction with formic acid, of course metal blade scratch the bone, and for the origin of this bones i will go soon to the phosphate mine for see the geological level and the associed fauna...at is point the logic conclusion is more elasmobranch ... wait and see more clues. the 3D file will show you the shape of the fossil. 1 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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