joshuajbelanger Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Hey everyone, Staying on some private property with a river in central Colorado. While walking the creeks looking for anything of interest, I came across this. I am not familiar with the horned creatures! Is this bull? Buffalo? Bison? Antiquus? I don’t know, any information would be much appreciated. My wife wanted to get a picture and then looked a little peeved when I said, “Why? I’m taking it home.” Lol Sorry for the pics, don’t have anything to scale. Lemme know what you think. I can post better pics tomorrow. i thought it was driftwood at first, had that exact consistency and texture. -J 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Cool piece, not sure the age or species though “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
val horn Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 A burn test will see if it fossilized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thecosmilia Trichitoma Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 @Harry Pristis It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt -Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuajbelanger Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 Ah yes, mr. @Harry Pristis, have any of that famous input? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 hours ago, joshuajbelanger said: Sorry for the pics, don’t have anything to scale. Lemme know what you think. I can post better pics tomorrow. i thought it was driftwood at first, had that exact consistency and texture. -J C'mon Joshua, You know the routine. Can't find a ruler/tape measure? Measurements,, especially tip to tip... It is in the Bison/Buffalo family and tip to tip may be the primary differentiator. 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuajbelanger Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 Sorry @Shellseeker, I’m currently in an unfamiliar place with nothing of the sort! For shame, for shame...I’m sorry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 36 minutes ago, joshuajbelanger said: Sorry @Shellseeker, I’m currently in an unfamiliar place with nothing of the sort! For shame, for shame...I’m sorry A few of the measurements here: If fossil, it might be Bison bison. https://allaboutbison.com/ancient-bison/ http://westerndigs.org/n-americas-oldest-bison-fossil-found-revealing-mother-of-all-bison/ More insight: The B. latifrons species was replaced by the smaller Bison antiquus. B. antiquus appeared in the North American fossil record approximately 250,000 years ago.[41] B. antiquus, in turn, evolved into B. occidentalis, then into the yet smaller B. bison—the modern American bison—some 5,000 to 10,000 years ago.[42][43] Some researchers consider B. occidentalis to be a subspecies of B. antiquus.[44] 2 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuajbelanger Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 54 minutes ago, Shellseeker said: A few of the measurements here: If fossil, it might be Bison bison. https://allaboutbison.com/ancient-bison/ http://westerndigs.org/n-americas-oldest-bison-fossil-found-revealing-mother-of-all-bison/ More insight: The B. latifrons species was replaced by the smaller Bison antiquus. B. antiquus appeared in the North American fossil record approximately 250,000 years ago.[41] B. antiquus, in turn, evolved into B. occidentalis, then into the yet smaller B. bison—the modern American bison—some 5,000 to 10,000 years ago.[42][43] Some researchers consider B. occidentalis to be a subspecies of B. antiquus.[44] This is great information. I actually noticed how small the horns look. I would imagine it’s more recent, but heck, I won’t know until I measure. It’s a cool find, and I’ve actually been wanting one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuajbelanger Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 Alright, @Shellseeker, we are looking at a 25 inch horn spread. I believe that you are correct with the Bison Bison id. I also did a burn test, and I’m not getting any kind of burnt protein smell. It’s a good sign, although far from conclusive, I believe it’s older rather than younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henpecked Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 You did well Josh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 57 minutes ago, henpecked said: You did well Josh Ditto, a very nice find.. I have found a few Bison teeth in the Peace River, but never a horn. 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuckMucus Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I'm jealous. I'm a buffalo skull hunter. It's definitely bison. I'm guessing it's bison bison from the southern herd. It's definitely a bull. The lateral horn core morphology relative to the skull looks like the southern herd (more down and back instead of up and out like the northern herd; i.e. more like antiquus than occidentalis in shape). From the photos, it looks like bone, not fossil, but photos are deceiving. If you lick it and your tongue sticks, it could be bone. If it doesn't stick, it's more likely a fossil. Weight can tell a lot too: heavy = fossil, light = bone. If it was in water or mud then it will dry out and start to disintegrate. You'll have to preserve it to save it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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