grg1109 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 It was suggested that the photos below are of Coral fossil cyclolite. However, I can't find any information with that name. Does anyone know what it is? Perhaps it has another name? Approx. 1/2" dia. Thanks Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Cyclolites is a name often used to describle corals from the family Fungiidae, but this family are scleractinians and thus didn't exist in the Devonian. Your looks like it might be something like Microcyclus.thedfordensis. 1 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daves64 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Cyclolites fossil? *Edit* what he said.. just before me. 1 Accomplishing the impossible means only that the boss will add it to your regular duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg1109 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 So this small piece is one coral animal? Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Yes. A solitary 'button' rugose coral. 1 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg1109 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Thanks very much! Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oyo Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 33 minutes ago, Tidgy's Dad said: Cyclolites is a name often used to describle corals from the family Fungiidae, but this family are scleractinians and thus didn't exist in the Devonian. Wrong. Cyclolites is a genus from the Cyclolitidae family. Fungiidae is other family. Both families belong to Scleractinian order but are very diferent families. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, oyo said: Wrong. Cyclolites is a genus from the Cyclolitidae family. Fungiidae is other family. Both families belong to Scleractinian order but are very diferent families. Indeed. It's very confusing. But i think the species Cycloseris cyclolites, often also incorrectly called 'Cyclolites' is from the Fungiidae? And Cunnolites, which was renamed from Cyclolites is now family Cunnolitidae? Anyway, the OPs fossil is none of these. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oyo Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 It is not confusing at all. Cycloseris is a genus from the Fungiidae family. Cunnolites is sinonim of Cyclolites. Cunnolitidae is sinonim of Cyclolitidae. Fungiidae and Cyclolitidae are two diferent families with morfological caracteristics absolutely diferents. Very simple and clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg1109 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Would this have eventually developed into a horn coral or would it have remained the same size and shape? Thanks Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, grg1109 said: Would this have eventually developed into a horn coral or would it have remained the same size and shape? Thanks Greg It would have remained in its discoidal shape. Their size range is about 4 -15mm in diameter. That being said, I have doubts that this is a "button coral" (cf. Microcyclus) given how the "grooves" are a bit too numerous and too straight in the way it radiates. In addition, these rarely ever exceed about 2 mm in thickness, and generally have a "crimped" edge. I would wager this might be a weathered single crinoid columnal. 3 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Top Trilo Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Rugose Coral, Cyclolite, Crinoid Columnal, 2 “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg1109 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Thanks for the photos, I've had a hard time finding them. I think mine looks more like "J" in the first photo. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I edited the title so people would be clear we are talking about a coral fossil. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg1109 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Thank you I was wondering about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearLake Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I am sort of with @Kane on this one, I think it could be a crinoid columnal something like one of the ones I have copied below (from Jeffords book). I think I see in that last picture posted the makings of a floriform lumen (the center part) as I have tried to trace in light red line on the bottom picture. I am not really familiar with the Cyclolites, so maybe I'm just overlooking the obvious, but.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg1109 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 I see what you mean...so, I took the closest photo that is possible for me to take of just the center. I re measured it. It is 13mm in dia. and 4mm thick. Greg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I think @ClearLake 's eagle eye found the floriform centre. Any chance you could show us the reverse side? 1 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg1109 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kane said: Any chance you could show us the reverse side? I added measurements to previous post as you were posting. Here are photos of the reverse side and the reverse side center. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg1109 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Here is a cropped photo of the facing side photo. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabRatKing Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I see crinoid as others have. Here’s some shots of comparable morphology cut and almost polished: I remember finding many similar specimens at Freeport beach on Lake Erie back in the day...might even still have a fey in my collection at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TqB Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Looks like a crinoid columnal to me too. Tarquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grg1109 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just one question on the "Crinoid theory"...shouldn't they have straight sides? Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearLake Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, grg1109 said: shouldn't they have straight sides No, not necessarily. Crinoid stems come in many shapes and forms, including the shape of the side of each columnal. Straight, rounded, triangular, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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