jnoun11 Posted June 3, 2021 Author Share Posted June 3, 2021 thanks mbl13 and biobob your right, i want so much find the humerus, i see humerus everywhere . The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBL13 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) Glad to help. The images are very useful,thanks. I'm currently looking for Spinosaurus humeri; there're a few potential candidates,but it's very tentative as of now. Also,looking into more detail,I've seen a pair of deep holes on the proximal section,is the bone partially hollow,or is just taphonomic? Edited June 3, 2021 by MBL13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted June 3, 2021 Author Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, MBL13 said: Glad to help. The images are very useful,thanks. I'm currently looking for Spinosaurus humeri; there're a few potential candidates,but it's very tentative as of now. Also,looking into more detail,I've seen a pair of deep holes on the proximal section,is the bone partially hollow,or is just taphonomic? 1333 grs ,not so heavy, it s hollow on distals articulations, but that can be the result of infections, more than taphonomic. the ulna is in very good conditions not crushed. The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Ouistiti Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Hello Jnoun nice fossil, did you see any indication of feather insertion on this ulna ? It will be quite surprising on an aquatic dinosaur but never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, Le Ouistiti said: an aquatic dinosaur What is it ? Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Le Ouistiti said: Hello Jnoun nice fossil, did you see any indication of feather insertion on this ulna ? It will be quite surprising on an aquatic dinosaur but never know. hi ouistiti its quite surprising, but your right, is some holes drawing a line along the ulna. but i dont know if it s feather quill knobs or just some vascularisation . The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBL13 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 I don't see the usual "knobs" that have been reported,for exemple,in Velociraptor. Here's a figure from Turner,Makovicky and Norell (2007). The pits are not related with feathers,but are also present in Velociraptor. Also,this structures have not been reported unambiguously in basal tetanurans. 1) Turner, Alan & Makovicky, Peter & Norell, Mark. (2007). Feather Quill Knobs in the Dinosaur Velociraptor. Science (New York, N.Y.). 317. 1721. 10.1126/science.1145076. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Ouistiti Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 It’s interesting, and do you know Jnoun from what locality comes this ulna ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 this ulna come from Aferdou N’Chaft. its lenght is 40 cm , a little too big for my reconstruction, because the estimate lenght of the FSAC-KK 11888 humeri is 51 cm that mean the ulna must mesured 31 cm more and less. i will 3D scanned this ulna, and reducing the proportion to 31 cm., and print it. i keep seeking one 3D file or one cast of spinosaurus humerus... so that mean, the ulna i have belong to a bigger spinosaurus... the estimated size of the FSAC-KK 11888 specimen, from the bones i have here will be more and less 12 meters...if i keep the proportions of the ulna,the specimen FSAC-KK 11889 must be around 21 % bigger, so :15 meters... The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Ouistiti Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Aferdou N’Chaft is the locality where the persons of Begaa diggs right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 45 minutes ago, Le Ouistiti said: Aferdou N’Chaft is the locality where the persons of Begaa diggs right ? yes The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted June 5, 2021 Author Share Posted June 5, 2021 hi i seek apophysis of cervical C8 or C9, did somebody have STL file of them ? The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 hi guys after asking everywhere for a cast of the front limbs, i will try to sculpted it , whats your opinion? the humerus will be 51 cm lenght, i have two models shape options, one is the baryonyx humeri and in other hand the suchomimus tenerensis more slender. i will soon beginn the first mounting and send you some pictures. its a very long process . 1 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 some pictures of the evolution of work here , lot of time involved and still not finished. 5 The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjfriend Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Great looking job. Always nice to see a giant project coming drawing to a sucessful close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Those are some really cool photos. Thanks for sharing! Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phos_01 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 That is awesome! What are you planning to do with the Skeleton once it's complete? You need a bigger house lol ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBL13 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) What's the source for the radius of those images? I'm trying to find one for a skeletal reconstruction I'm doing. Edited July 10, 2021 by MBL13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 the source of the radius is sculpted, i stop asking , i must finishing this reconstruction because ,lot of other dinosaurs skeletons are on line. so i will sculpted the missing bones from the front limbs, and update the skeleton in future when i will find more real information, its enough complete for the moment to be the most advanced version of spinosaurus. The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBL13 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 That's a shame,wanted to have that bone... Also,I'm interested in what type of vertebrae you used for the posterior cervicals/anterior dorsals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phos_01 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 On 7/11/2021 at 1:25 PM, jnoun11 said: the source of the radius is sculpted, i stop asking , i must finishing this reconstruction because ,lot of other dinosaurs skeletons are on line. so i will sculpted the missing bones from the front limbs, and update the skeleton in future when i will find more real information, its enough complete for the moment to be the most advanced version of spinosaurus. Following this topic, would love to see it in its complete form ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnoun11 Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 hi guy s i have a little problem, the estimate body length of FSAC KK 11888 is 11.38m, but now i have finished the vertebral spine and i got 4.30m from the basioccipital of the skull to the end of pelvics and 5.00m for the tail vertebrae, so if the skull is 1.12m the size of my reconstruction will be 10.42 m , i miss 0.96 cm , what do you think about ? more bigger skull or perhaps the calculation include some centimeters free between each vertebrae... The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Well, for one, that's the old tail that's no longer accurate. I think the old tail had a different length too. Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBL13 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 There should be some space between each vertebra. Also,take into account you're measuring,at least in the diagram above,the skeleton articulated,not just every bone independently.If the scale of the image is correct,the 10.42 m value is consistent.Finally,the tail should be updated based on Ibrahim et al,2020a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingspino Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Perhaps the vertebrae in your reconstruction have slightly different proportions or it may be a combination of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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