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What do you think this is? Found in a St. Louis County creek.


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A friend found this fossil.  She found this in a creek in the city of Berkely, St. Louis county, MO.  I've seen a similar fossil posted somewhere, but don't remember.  It appears to be cylindrical with a spiral.  The other 2 photographs are with the other fossils she found. Any help in identifying this would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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The above photograph has the fossil I am interested in identifying.

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The honeycomb looking rocks look just like the lithostrotionella coral I find out in WV in the greenbrier river. The shell you’re holding in the second photo is some kind of brachiopod (I’m guessing) but that’s very broad. Currently researching the geology of this area more.

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Pennsylvanian or Mississippian age if they were found in Berkeley MO. As for that spirally boy, closest I could find in searches was an Archimedes, which I’m not familiar with but gotta say it doesn’t look like a great fit. Maybe a particularly beefy one that’s been very worn down? I’ll be really curious to see what actual experts have to say

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Hello Rock-knocker

I have found very similar things that turned out to be highly corroded pieces of steel rope, but you could easily rule this out by density and maybe magnetism.

I can second the statement that this is not Archimedes.

Maybe a shark coprolite?

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J

 

 

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Very few natural biological structures have a spiral shape like that.  It is too large and the wrong shape for Archimedes.  I suspect it is a human created artifact, possibly a piece of rebar.

 

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I am reminded of these mystery fossils that were never identified satisfactorily.  :( 

 

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1 hour ago, minnbuckeye said:

Not archimedes and I doubt if it is lithostrotionella coral.  

The honeycomb looking rocks aren’t lithostrotionella?

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1 hour ago, ScottBlooded said:

The honeycomb looking rocks aren’t lithostrotionella?

I can't offer any great authoritative opinion on the honeycomb piece other than to say that I've had septarian concretions from Mazon Creek where patches of the surface layer popped off to reveal the tessellated texture. I recall the centers of each of these cells having a raised convex center to them. That was my first instinct when I saw this item pictured to the right in the second image above. Here's a similar image I was able to dig up online:

 

https://arkansasgeological.wordpress.com/2015/10/08/geopic-of-the-week-septarian-concretions/

 

http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/95642-new-mazon-creek-collection/&page=2

 

 

I'm not saying that is what this is but at least a possibility to be considered. A better photo of that item would help to confirm an identity of that piece.

 

I agree that the twisty item looks odd for a biological piece and you should considering some sort of man-made artifact to rule that out. Eroded and rusted twisted metal cable is what would come to mind as a possibility. A simple test for this would be both weight (it would be quite dense) and to see if a magnet would stick to it. If it proves not to be badly corroded metal then I can't think of what type of organism would leave such a spiraled remain (excluding narwhals ;)). It might help to know the general area in which it was collected so that the geologic formations exposed at the surface could be determined. Knowing the potential age of fossils in an area can help narrow down possibilities.

 

 

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Cropped, rotated, and brightened: 

 

 

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2 hours ago, ScottBlooded said:

The honeycomb looking rocks aren’t lithostrotionella?

I was talking about the "fossil" he was trying to identify. I did not know you were looking at other specimens.

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