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Fish bone from the Zandmotor


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Hey everyone,

Found this bone yesterday on the Zandmotor, Netherlands (most likely Eemian in age, late Pleistocene, around 120'000 years old). 

Judging by the structure I'm fairly confident it's from a fish, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what bone it could be. My best guess so far is that it's a parietal bone, but I'm not yet convinced. I'm not finding much comparison material online; although I may be using the wrong search words. 

I'm also curious if you maybe know if it's possible to identify this bone further than Teleostei indet. It's quite big (scale in centimeters), so maybe something like an Atlantic cod (Gadus morhua)?

What do you guys think?

Thanks in advance,

Max

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Parietal or gular plate, maybe? 

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14 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said:

Parietal or gular plate, maybe? 

Yeah could be a gular plate, I didn't think of that! I still like parietal slightly more though. 

Tim, you're a fish-lover... so do you maybe have a good book/paper for fish bone identification? For modern or fossil specimens (I think a publication on modern bones is probably better, at least for me :P)

Thanks btw

Max Derème

 

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1 minute ago, Max-fossils said:

Yeah could be a gular plate, I didn't think of that! I still like parietal slightly more though. 

Tim, you're a fish-lover... so do you maybe have a good book/paper for fish bone identification? For modern or fossil specimens (I think a publication on modern bones is probably better, at least for me :P)

Thanks btw

I don't have anything really - most of the species I collect have dedicated papers that delve into skull morphology and skeletal anatomy. @oilshale may have some go to papers or books. 

 

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1 minute ago, Fossildude19 said:

I don't have anything really - most of the species I collect have dedicated papers that delve into skull morphology and skeletal anatomy.

 

I'm not surprised, my searches delivered similar results. :( 

Hopefully oilshale or someone else stumbling on this topic has something!

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Throwing another fish bone in before I forget. Same age, same location (found in September).

Anyone have an idea? I think it's a skull element again but I'm not sure which one it could be. 

 

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"I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day."

   - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier

 

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