Crazyhen Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Do you think this two-headed Hyphalosaurus is a composite or that it is in fact two individuals with overlapped body (I see quite a lot of bones in abdomen)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Top Trilo Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, Crazyhen said: Do you think this two-headed Hyphalosaurus is a composite or that it is in fact two individuals with overlapped body (I see quite a lot of bones in abdomen)? What are the odds only the neck and head of the second specimen is present with no tail or legs? and that they are right next to eachother with the heads the same size and position. possible but not likely in my opinion 1 “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 The "second" head and neck looks carved, to me. 3 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 Would it be possible that the body of the other one is underneath the matrix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snolly50 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 An X-ray would possibly be helpful. 3 Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, also are remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyw Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Ok..... I could be totally wrong but I think I see 2 spines.. and extra ribs.....almost looks like 2 torsos....one slightly curved and twisted in relation to the other.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snolly50 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, Randyw said: extra ribs. Excellent, with your blow-up there appear more ribs than any single critter should possess. So, I think it 2 creatures one atop the other; or alternatively, conjoined twins. 1 Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, also are remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyw Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, snolly50 said: or alternatively, conjoined twins. I think I can also see two pelvis....... obviously what popped into my mind is they died “happy” if you know what I mean.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 There was a record of a juvenile two-headed Hyphalosaurus from the same locality before. And, guys, you think this fossil, no matter it’s two-headed or two overlapped individuals, is genuine or not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Randyw said: I think I can also see two pelvis....... obviously what popped into my mind is they died “happy” if you know what I mean.... You mean a possible mating pair!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snolly50 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, Randyw said: obviously what popped into my mind is they died “happy” if you know what I mean.... Yep, occurred to me as well. It would be grand if that could be determined. I am fond of fossils that "show" behavior. 1 Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, also are remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 I have another ‘double’ specimen, but this time it’s a juvenile Keichousaurus. It looks like it has a bifurcated neck and a doubled body. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Not sure about the second specimen but the part that is throwing me off with the first is the different sized neck vertebrae like Tim pointed out and that there is no sign of a second tail or legs. 1 “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyhen Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Top Trilo said: Not sure about the second specimen but the part that is throwing me off with the first is the different sized neck vertebrae like Tim pointed out and that there is no sign of a second tail or legs. If it's real and not carved, could the different sized neck vertebrae be due to the position of the two necks, being one imprinting dorsoventrally on the matrix while the other more laterally, that might explain the size difference. And I look closely at the "base" of the two necks, it seems pretty naturally "converged" together to me. This is all very interesting, if it's genuine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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