I am new and I have no idea what this is. Can someone please give me an educated guest at least?

[Rockwood]

1 hour ago, donnyjoe said:

I have an example found in Webb County, TX which is remarkably similar

Sorry. It doesn't look the same at all to me.

[BobWill]

It may be helpful for eliminating some possibilities if we had a description of one more detail that is not obvious from the photos. It appears that one end is either pretty flat or slightly concave. Is that correct and do both ends have the same shape?

It may alsobe helpful if someone knows the age of deposits near Carey Idaho.

Edited April 11, 2021 by BobWill

[Starstruck106]

3 hours ago, diginupbones said:

Honestly, I don’t think anything more I add is going to change anyone’s opinion. I believe I gave the correct answer in the second post on this thread. The OP did as I instructed and got the opinion from the artifact experts on another forum but obviously doesn’t agree with them either because she posted that concretion was correct even after they told her what it was.

Everyone else’s opinions are respected here but I tend to go with the opinions of experts in their fields. 
 

I have not been back on the computer so did not see this thread I will check it out thank you 

[Starstruck106]

33 minutes ago, BobWill said:

It may be helpful for eliminating some possibilities if we had a description of one more detail that is not obvious from the photos. It appears that one end is either pretty flat or slightly concave. Is that correct and do both ends have the same shape?

It may alsobe helpful if someone knows the age of deposits near Carey Idaho.

The ends are both slightly concave with the very center circle raised up a bit like a mole in the center in the middle of the concave portion.

[Starstruck106]

2 hours ago, donnyjoe said:

My guess, while not greatly educated, is artifact based solely on appearance. I have an example found in Webb County, TX which is remarkably similar except for the tapered end. This one is 8" long and 2-3/8" in diameter.  Both ends have small scratches, discoloration, and a shiny patina where contact would be made with a hard surface.  Those features are difficult or impossible to see in an image but something to look for.

 

This is used for grinding corn for making corn wafers, etc. . . I have one like this the object I have has an entirely different texture, weight and is not something that say a woman would use that fits easily in the hand for grasping, but thank you. 

 

[BobWill]

20 minutes ago, Starstruck106 said:

The ends are both slightly concave with the very center circle raised up a bit like a mole in the center in the middle of the concave portion.

Thanks for the clarification. I know nothing about artifacts so if that is what this is I would like to learn how that form on both ends would make this useful as a tool.

 

I do have some experience with burrow infills and they often occur with this feature due to having a core composed of harder material than the outside so I would  need a good reason to eliminate that as a possibility.

[Starstruck106]

56 minutes ago, BobWill said:

It may be helpful for eliminating some possibilities if we had a description of one more detail that is not obvious from the photos. It appears that one end is either pretty flat or slightly concave. Is that correct and do both ends have the same shape?

It may alsobe helpful if someone knows the age of deposits near Carey Idaho.

Here are some more pictures that are close up it feels like standard decorative river rock but heavier.  this has been slightly wet to show the center of conclave better

[Rockwood]

No change

[HuckMucus]

15 hours ago, Starstruck106 said:

The ends are both slightly concave with the very center circle raised up a bit like a mole in the center in the middle of the concave portion.

 

That (the center raised up a bit in the middle of the concave) was the "feel" I got from your initial photos, and that's what got me to thinking of a concretion within a concretion.  If it were a tool, I can see the concave, but not the raised portion within the concave.  More speculation from me in the peanut gallery.

[HuckMucus]

The hole in the end of jonnyjoe's piece reminds me of the end of a drill for a bow and drill fire starter.  Most I've seen are more disc-shaped and held against the palm, but I can see holding a vertical piece in your fist for the same process.

Edited April 11, 2021 by HuckMucus

[Starstruck106]

2 hours ago, HuckMucus said:

The hole in the end of jonnyjoe's piece reminds me of the end of a drill for a bow and drill fire starter.  Most I've seen are more disc-shaped and held against the palm, but I can see holding a vertical piece in your fist for the same process.

when I first saw it this is what it reminded me of  and I just wet it a little bit so I could see it a bit more clear.  Not saying that I think this is what it is - it just reminded me of the shape on the end.  I loaded these pics to illustrate what the end resembles a bit closer with the center bump added as it says in the text like a mole almost. 

It is really hard to see in the pictures but the divot on the side looks almost like a white filament in a checker pattern almost like asbestos but not quite the same more unirom like a plaid pattern only white. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Starstruck106]

4 hours ago, HuckMucus said:

The hole in the end of jonnyjoe's piece reminds me of the end of a drill for a bow and drill fire starter.  Most I've seen are more disc-shaped and held against the palm, but I can see holding a vertical piece in your fist for the same process.

If it is an artifact from a tribe it would Shoshone Bannock most likely.

[JohnJ]

Based on your latest image sets, the detail I can see does not lead me to think this is an artifact.  The texture of the rock doesn't have the polish or evidence of use and shaping.  Sometimes natural forces mimic tools...I've picked up dozens through the years.  

[Starstruck106]

54 minutes ago, JohnJ said:

Based on your latest image sets, the detail I can see does not lead me to think this is an artifact.  The texture of the rock doesn't have the polish or evidence of use and shaping.  Sometimes natural forces mimic tools...I've picked up dozens through the years.  

I agree, I cannot find anything that it could have been used for that would not have worn down the center or caused a hole of some sort to form.

[supertramp]

On 4/11/2021 at 1:48 AM, Starstruck106 said:

Here are some more pictures that are close up it feels like standard decorative river rock but heavier.

 

  

 

this has been slightly wet to show the center of conclave better

the dark central ring (and perhaps also the inner “white” cylinder) appears to be chert. 
I would think of an elongated chert nodule still in its limestone encasing. 
I don't understand image number 8: just wet or even scraped?

ciao