KompsFossilsNMinerals Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Hi everyone, this is a piece of "amber" I bought a little while back. Not entirely sure if it's real so I thought I'd check here. It fluoresces green under a UV light and sort of smells sappy when pricked with a hot pin. Also included are some microscopic photos of the insect inclusions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daves64 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) I'd say it's real, but may not be amber, but copal (young amber) from Columbia or Madagascar. When you used the hot pen, did it melt in fast or slow? Fast tends to mean copal, slow could mean amber. There is another test you can do at home. Put a small drop of acetone on it somewhere, an area that won't be noticed. If it gets tacky with the acetone, it's copal. With Amber, acetone just evaporates. But looking at the pic of the piece itself, I'm leaning towards copal, but I could be wrong. But.. either way, it is real. Edited April 16, 2021 by daves64 1 Accomplishing the impossible means only that the boss will add it to your regular duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praefectus Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 I am also of the opinion that it is real. I'm not sure if it is amber or copal, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 @holdinghistory ? In my limited experience, it is more common to have multiple inclusions in copal 1 MotM August 2023 - Eclectic Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 I thought amber is fluorescent while copal is not meaning this piece has to be amber 1 “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 44 minutes ago, Top Trilo said: I thought amber is fluorescent while copal is not meaning this piece has to be amber I think it can be fluorescent, but a different colour to amber. Interestingly, my Burmite is more turquoise/blue than green 1 MotM August 2023 - Eclectic Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaacTheFossilMan Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Test with it floating in salty water, too! Real amber will float. ~ Isaac; www.isaactfm.com "Don't move! He can't see us if we don't move!" - Alan Grant Come to the spring that is The Fossil Forum, where the stream of warmth and knowledge never runs dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KompsFossilsNMinerals Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 54 minutes ago, Top Trilo said: I thought amber is fluorescent while copal is not meaning this piece has to be amber 7 minutes ago, Yoda said: I think it can be fluorescent, but a different colour to amber. Interestingly, my Burmite is more turquoise/blue than green Here are some photos under short wave and long wave UV in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KompsFossilsNMinerals Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, IsaacTheFossilMan said: Test with it floating in salty water, too! Real amber will float. Did not float , however I will try with more salt soon. edit: it did float a little before sinking, not sure if this is an indicator. Edited April 16, 2021 by KompsFossilsNMinerals more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 I think the second UV image shows amber, that blue turquoise green color is what mine and other amber looks like. Did the site you got it from mention location or age? “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KompsFossilsNMinerals Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 53 minutes ago, Top Trilo said: I think the second UV image shows amber, that blue turquoise green color is what mine and other amber looks like. Did the site you got it from mention location or age? I bought it from a fossil and mineral shop in Massachusetts, did not come with any info. Only a bag and the price tag unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyw Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 It’s amber.the salt water test is inconclusive for amber as both amber and copal will float. The more accurate tests are the hot needle and the uv lights. In the hot needle test if it penetrates easily it’s copal. If it barely penetrates or cracks it’s amber. Amber should also smell of punked wood during the test. In the uv test amber is fluorescent copal is not. The proper way to do the salt water test is 7 teaspoons salt in a medium cup of water.... there is also the rubbing test... real amber has electrostatic properties. wrap it in a cloth and rub it for 20-60 seconds. Then hold it next to a strand of hair. It should attract the hair. Copal won’t build up a charge and may even become sticky.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Andy- Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Hello, this is a real fossil As for whether it's amber or copal, was your hot needle able to penetrate it like butter? Looking forward to meeting my fellow Singaporean collectors! Do PM me if you are a Singaporean, or an overseas fossil-collector coming here for a holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KompsFossilsNMinerals Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, -Andy- said: Hello, this is a real fossil As for whether it's amber or copal, was your hot needle able to penetrate it like butter? From what I can remember, no. But I can try again. Edited April 17, 2021 by KompsFossilsNMinerals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buteo Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) I would think this is Copal, I knew a copal dealer from Columbia who used to import huge amounts. Same type of color. I think regardless it is amazing. He had some massive chunks, The bubbles look like they have bubbles within, do they move when rotated. I have some specimens with fluid trapped in bubbles. Copal and amber are amazing. It is basically the first camera kinda. My photos are columbian copal, I used to go through his shipping boxes in Canada from Columbia for raw rough copal that didnt have peek holes chipped in them . These are semi polished by myself. Note: the more rind /crust removed changes the color dramatically. A polished specimen like yours tends to have that light golden honey look which is similar to copal. Edited April 17, 2021 by Buteo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyw Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Color alone is not an indication of amber or copal. I have hundreds of pieces of amber and they range in colors. A large majority of them are golden or honey colored. The hot needle test and the u.v. And the acetone Test are more conclusive. There are huge amounts of amber and copal coming out of Columbia. With the way the Colombian geology has been shaken up you can find copal within a few dozen yards of amber. In the almost 40 years I’ve collected amber (off and on) I’ve handled thousands of pieces and I’ve seen everything from light golden up to green colored amber. hope this helps! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Andy- Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 23 hours ago, KompsFossilsNMinerals said: From what I can remember, no. But I can try again. Then it is amber Amber can resist a hot needle poking. I dare say in fact you couldn't pierce through amber with a hot needle. For copal however, it'd poke right through 1 Looking forward to meeting my fellow Singaporean collectors! Do PM me if you are a Singaporean, or an overseas fossil-collector coming here for a holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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