Dimitar Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) I found this fossil today, near L'Île-Bizard - on the shore. It is some kind of big snail. N.1 N.2 N.3 N.4 N.5 N.6 N.7 N.8 N.9 Edited May 8, 2021 by Dimitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Not seeing a gastropod in this breccia. 4 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitar Posted May 8, 2021 Author Share Posted May 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Kane said: Not seeing a gastropod in this breccia. see the picture N.3 and N.4. The breccia is all inside the shell . The shell however seems to be very thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I still don't see it, sorry. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Sorry, but I'm not seeing it either. 1 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kane Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Thanks for the additional images, but I still see no fossil here at all. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitar Posted May 8, 2021 Author Share Posted May 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kane said: Thanks for the additional images, but I still see no fossil here at all. It is all one fossil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 The pictures still do not convince me. We'll just have to agree to disagree. 1 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I am not seeing any kind of fossil in this item. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ludwigia Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I think you're seeing things that aren't there. That is definitely not a fossil IMHO. 2 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 To me it looks like concrete that has been poured onto a piece of rocky ground and then a bit of the concrete and rock has been broken off. 4 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitar Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) What we see in yellow is part of the shell the shell in yellow on the left side shame shell here - we see it in lignt brown Edited May 9, 2021 by Dimitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitar Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 I may need to to more preparation work before convince you further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Dimitar said: I may need to to more preparation work before convince you further. Dear Mr. Dimitar, You have already had the convinced opinion of a number of people here who have years of experience in recognizing fossils in stone. I am quite certain that you would be in for a big surprise if you try to prepare this, since there will be no shell to be found, but rather only mineral substance. Purely stating that this must be shell has nothing to do with scientific method and is a weak argument for convincing anyone who knows something about the subject. Since our opinions on this piece of stone cannot convince you otherwise, I would suggest that you take it to your nearest museum and show it to an experienced paleontologist for a professional opinion. Of course if we were wrong in the end, then you can have the last laugh, but I doubt it. 2 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Hunter Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I don't see it either, but I see several things that to my untrained eye are not cement. For example picture # 6, can someone please explain what I'm seeing, not inc. black and white rock. It looks like it should be something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitar Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, Ludwigia said: Dear Mr. Dimitar, You have already had the convinced opinion of a number of people here who have years of experience in recognizing fossils in stone. I am quite certain that you would be in for a big surprise if you try to prepare this, since there will be no shell to be found, but rather only mineral substance. Purely stating that this must be shell has nothing to do with scientific method and is a weak argument for convincing anyone who knows something about the subject. Since our opinions on this piece of stone cannot convince you otherwise, I would suggest that you take it to your nearest museum and show it to an experienced paleontologist for a professional opinion. Of course if we were wrong in the end, then you can have the last laugh, but I doubt it. There is a shell and it is tiny. See between white and dark brown below. It has the shape of a frame. Parallel lines are 1 mm wide. (Horizontal ) and few vertical lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Hunter Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I see the lines but don't think it looks like shell, maybe an impression of something? The only thing I see that remotely looks shell related is in 3rd image on the left edge, curious what that is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitar Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 It seems to be Horned Ammonite fossil. The tiny shell goes in a spiral. I haven't seen such rocks here in the area, so that's why I am sure all these white (calcium ) is the inside of ammonite. Tomorrow I will look to see if I can recognize other elements of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitar Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) Now, when I know what to look for, I can better present it: A.1 A.2 These seems to be the tentacles of the ammonite. There should be 5 pairs. The "frame" structure that I gave earlier is actually the skin (membrane) of the tentacles. On the last picture, left side we can see a small fragment of the shell. Edited May 9, 2021 by Dimitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitar Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) On pictures 2, 3, 4, 5 - we see the tentacles . Picture 5 - is the view from external side, so this should be also the head .I can see around 5 tentacles, The yellow membrane there, visible also on N.4 is one of the tentacles, which lay a little bit on side, almost perpendicular to other tentacles. Edited May 9, 2021 by Dimitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 The only thing that would preserve from a nautiloid (ammonites do not occur in Paleozoic material) is the shell. No tentacles, at all. You need to introduce skepticism and doubt rather than assertion and certainty when engaging in science. Ludwigia has pretty much said precisely what needed to be said above. As you are not willing to trust our judgement and experience, we will have to agree to disagree. Please take this to your nearest natural history museum or earth sciences department if you still doubt the collective opinion here. As there is not much more we can learn, this topic will be locked. 1 3 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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