NatalieP Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Hey there! My daughter found this broken Molar and we are looking for an ID please. I have a couple ideas but I'm not 100%. She found it in the Peace river. Thank you so much received_346860370331641.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Is there an image of the chewing surface? Try putting the item on a flat surface - holding it causes blurring to occur. @Harry Pristis @Shellseeker @jcbshark Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatalieP Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 I'll try when I get home about 45min. The video is less blurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatalieP Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 @Harry Pristis is this a broken Florida Bear Dog Carnassial molar? It looks pretty close to your comparison of dire wolf and bear dog (except broken). It is "secant" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 I do not have experience with bear_dog. We need a measurement. between the red "x"s, I do not recognize the area in blue The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatalieP Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) .62" @Shellseeker Edited May 27, 2021 by NatalieP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatalieP Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 Here are some I hope better pictures especially of the biting surface. Also on the larger side you can see that that end was broken off also @Fossildude19 @Harry Pristis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Much better pictures! Thank you! Cropped and brightened: 2 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 These last images are excellent. I don't know whose carnassial this represents, but I think it's not a canid nor an amphicyonid. It's a fairly large tooth for late (Pleistocene-Recent) mustelids. The root canal of the tooth indicates the the cusp must have been tall, spikey even. That spikiness(?) made me think of a didelphid (opossum), but I am not confident in any ID at the moment. 3 1 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatalieP Posted May 28, 2021 Author Share Posted May 28, 2021 @Harry Pristis what about saber toothed cat? A fossil friend of mine indicated such said he thinks Feline. The tooth is too big for the oppossum I belive. At .62" with missing end I would put the whole tooth at about an inch. ?? Also thank you so much for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Well, you're right -- your find is too large to be opossum. Cats have rather simple, shearing teeth. I'm fairly confident it's not a cat tooth; but, having said that, I don't know what it is. It is, no doubt, extensively altered from its form in life. 2 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatalieP Posted May 28, 2021 Author Share Posted May 28, 2021 @Harry Pristis thank you so much for helping. I really appreciate it and learning new things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digit Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, NatalieP said: I really appreciate it and learning new things! That's the best part about finding a "mystery" fossil. I am able to push at the limited envelope of my Florida fossil knowledge every time I encounter something novel. You've found a great source for fossil knowledge here. Hope to see more interesting finds from you in the future. Cheers. -Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatalieP Posted May 28, 2021 Author Share Posted May 28, 2021 @digit I actually have a few more to post. There are some canidae incisor or 1st premolar and some other mystery tooth. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Spikey-toothed and medium-sized . . . Maybe it's not a carnassial after all. Maybe Platygonus fits. Just a guess. I had to borrow an image from Fruitbat's album. He describes this as deciduous dentition, but you can get the idea. 1 1 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatalieP Posted May 29, 2021 Author Share Posted May 29, 2021 @Harry Pristis omg thats it!!! That's the tooth! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 9 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: Spikey-toothed and medium-sized . . . Maybe it's not a carnassial after all. Maybe Platygonus fits. Just a guess. I had to borrow an image from Fruitbat's album. He describes this as deciduous dentition, but you can get the idea. NICE !!! catch, Harry. Experience matters. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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