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What kind of tooth is this? Seems to be some type of aquatic reptile, but seems too narrow to be a mosasaur (Big Brook, NJ)


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Just found this earlier today. Thought it was an enchodus until I noticed the conic root. I assume it's some type of aquatic reptile given the location and the similarity to mosasaur teeth I've found, but much more narrow than any mosasaur teeth I've found.

 

 

 

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Looks like a beat up Enchodus, to me.  :unsure: 

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@FossilDAWG having a tough time finding pictures of a xiphactinus root, but they don't seem (from what I could make out) to have hollow conic roots like this either. The conic root looks exactly like all the marine reptile teeth I've found.

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I'm leaning plesiosaur at the moment, but if anyone can make a case for what else it could be, that would be very helpful

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3 hours ago, TRexEliot said:

@FossilDAWG having a tough time finding pictures of a xiphactinus root, but they don't seem (from what I could make out) to have hollow conic roots like this either. The conic root looks exactly like all the marine reptile teeth I've found.

IMO it's a worn X-fish. You're confusing some terminology here. This is only the crown of the tooth (coated with enamel), the root anchors it in the jaw. By "conic," I'm assuming you're referring to the impression at the base. Yes, marine reptiles have a similar indentation. However, the shape of the tooth is different from both mosasaurs and plesiosaurs. You'll note that this crown has a very flat, elliptical cross section. It also has distinct carinae ("cutting edges"). The crowns of mosasaur and plesiosaur teeth are much more conical, and not as flattened. 

 

Compare to these Xiphactinus teeth:

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^http://oceansofkansas.com/xiphac.html

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^https://www.jstor.org/stable/4523841?seq=6#metadata_info_tab_contents

 

First ref I found showing plesiosaurid tooth cross sections:

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^https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0172759

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A quick shot of the base of one of my Xiphactinus audax for comparison.

 

As The Physicist pointed out note the elliptical cross section, the double carinae, and the fluting. This one also has a somewhat conical base. It's not a great picture but it shows the characteristics.

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This is one I would really like better, brighter pictures of. I can absolutely say Xiphactinus is an option but there are other possibilities too.

 

I'll go ahead and eliminate the possibility of Plesiosaur. They do not have carinae and are a lot more slender. The tooth is off too. 

 

For comparison, here is a Plesiosaur I found in New Jersey last year.

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I really do think you should invest the time to take better pictures. I spend WAY too much time working with and researching the most obscure teeth from the New Jersey Cretaceous, and you get a nice surprise from time to time. Xiphactinus is an uncommon find too, so either way, you have something good.

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Thanks for all the great information guys! I'll do my best to get better pictures, but sadly my camera has been pretty blurry ever since I had to replace the lens cover on my phone a while ago (I think some dust may have been trapped in there that prevents it from focusing). 

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This is a Xiphactinus sp. tooth. I agree with all previous comments that share this opinion.

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On 6/25/2021 at 1:03 PM, frankh8147 said:

For comparison, here is a Plesiosaur I found in New Jersey last year.

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That's a stunning specimen! :notworthy:

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14 hours ago, pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon said:

 

That's a stunning specimen! :notworthy:

Haha thanks! It's one of my favorite recent finds :)

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On 6/25/2021 at 7:03 AM, frankh8147 said:

I really do think you should invest the time to take better pictures. I spend WAY too much time working with and researching the most obscure teeth from the New Jersey Cretaceous, and you get a nice surprise from time to time. Xiphactinus is an uncommon find too, so either way, you have something good.

Forgot about this thread, but just saw there were some new comments and thought I'd take this opportunity to get you some better pictures

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