Sofyar Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Hey guys! I just bought a Meg tooth 6.35 inches long with great enamel and wanted to get your opinion on it! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carch_23 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Nice huge tooth! Im also pretty sure the seller (and based on what i see) dont sell restored teeth unless stated, so really good for a tooth of that size. Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praefectus Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 +1 for real tooth. It is a nice big one. Should make a good addition to your collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofyar Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, carch_23 said: Nice huge tooth! Im also pretty sure the seller (and based on what i see) dont sell restored teeth unless stated, so really good for a tooth of that size. Congrats! Yes they are very nice and can always be counted on! I also wanted to ask regarding the root lobes why one is shorter than the other. It's obviously not broken but I was just interested if you know. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofyar Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Praefectus said: +1 for real tooth. It is a nice big one. Should make a good addition to your collection. Also thanks for your answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 @Sofyar Please do not post dealer names. Thank you. 1 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carch_23 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, JohnJ said: @Sofyar Please do not post dealer names. Thank you. Oh I dont think he did when I replied. I was just assuming as Im pretty sure I saw the exact same tooth on an online dealer's website ahah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carch_23 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, Sofyar said: Yes they are very nice and can always be counted on! I also wanted to ask regarding the root lobes why one is shorter than the other. It's obviously not broken but I was just interested if you know. Thanks! Good question. Im actually unsure of that. All I know is that colour changes depending on location/ preservation. But from what I can see all original and natural 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofyar Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, carch_23 said: Oh I dont think he did when I replied. I was just assuming as Im pretty sure I saw the exact same tooth on an online dealer's website ahah. Oh I thought you recognised the tooth stand haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofyar Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, carch_23 said: Good question. Im actually unsure of that. All I know is that colour changes depending on location/ preservation. But from what I can see all original and natural I was told it's connected to the position of the tooth in the mouth. The shorter distal root length indicates this tooth came from the left side of the shark's mouth (shark POV) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carch_23 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 44 minutes ago, Sofyar said: Oh I thought you recognised the tooth stand haha. And that, and the overall photos as well ahah. Oh cool that makes sense. Always thought different root shapes were just a pathological thing lol. Nice to learn something new! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth_ Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sofyar said: Yes they are very nice and can always be counted on! I also wanted to ask regarding the root lobes why one is shorter than the other. It's obviously not broken but I was just interested if you know. Thanks! Very nice tooth indeed.... obviously not in pristine condition but at over 6" options are fairly limited haha. I'd love to see my 5" tooth sitting on top of it, the extra 1.3" in slant height will make a huge difference in the amount of physical tooth! Also, the fact is isn't in pristine condition would indicate is hasn't been restored in any way which is good! It is hard to get good information on tooth shape/location for upper/lower jaw (not all anterior lower teeth look the same). I could be wrong but this is a lower jaw anterior tooth. The difference in root lobes are likely due to it being not perfectly centred while still being anterior. I have a complete Mako jaw, the anterior teeth (the ones that aren't directly at the front) have very asymmetrical roots - I'm happy to take a pic and post it if you'd like to see. Totally different genus but seeing it might help you place your tooth in the jaw of a Megalodon Edited September 19, 2021 by Gareth_ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofyar Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Gareth_ said: Very nice tooth indeed.... obviously not in pristine condition but at over 6" options are fairly limited haha. I'd love to see my 5" tooth sitting on top of it, the extra 1.3" in slant height will make a huge difference in the amount of physical tooth! Also, the fact is isn't in pristine condition would indicate is hasn't been restored in any way which is good! It is hard to get good information on tooth shape for upper/lower jaw. I could be wrong but this is a lower jaw anterior tooth. The difference in root lobes are likely due to it being not perfectly centred while still being anterior. I have a complete Mako jaw, the anterior teeth (the ones that aren't directly at the front) have very asymmetrical roots - I'm happy to take a pic and post it if you'd like to see. Totally different genus but seeing it might help you place your tooth in the jaw of a Megalodon Thanks for your long and informative answer! If it's not too much of a hassle I would love to see it! And yes I have yet to see a pristine tooth over 6 inches long, and I imagine they would cost thousands of dollars. Also it's really weird for me to talk in Inches if I'm honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth_ Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Sofyar said: Thanks for your long and informative answer! If it's not too much of a hassle I would love to see it! And yes I have yet to see a pristine tooth over 6 inches long, and I imagine they would cost thousands of dollars. Also it's really weird for me to talk in Inches if I'm honest No problem at all, that's what the forum is all about Yeah, thousands is right.... they do fetch a premium price! Understandably though. Obviously the Mako is very different to Megalodon but this just shows teeth aren't a perfect symmetrical shape at the front and get more hooked as they go back. Quite the opposite on this Mako. The triangular shape almost gets more symmetrical the further back in the mouth and working out the tooth layout in an extinct sharks mouth is complicated. The pics show in order - the very front tooth, 2nd tooth, 3rd tooth then the rest. Lower jaw. The jaw needs some work to clean it up and remove excess gum - not a small project and it needs to be done right. My 6 year old is pictured for scale Not a small shark! But compared to my Otodus obliquus or Otodus megalodon teeth, they're tiny! edit - sorry the pics are a bit blurry, didn't notice how bad they were on my phone screen when I took them. Now I'm on my laptop they look terrible! I think glass cover of the camera lens has muck on it. Edited September 19, 2021 by Gareth_ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 10 hours ago, carch_23 said: Oh I dont think he did when I replied. I edited the dealer name from the post. No worries. 1 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofyar Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 On 9/19/2021 at 10:40 AM, Gareth_ said: No problem at all, that's what the forum is all about Yeah, thousands is right.... they do fetch a premium price! Understandably though. Obviously the Mako is very different to Megalodon but this just shows teeth aren't a perfect symmetrical shape at the front and get more hooked as they go back. Quite the opposite on this Mako. The triangular shape almost gets more symmetrical the further back in the mouth and working out the tooth layout in an extinct sharks mouth is complicated. The pics show in order - the very front tooth, 2nd tooth, 3rd tooth then the rest. Lower jaw. The jaw needs some work to clean it up and remove excess gum - not a small project and it needs to be done right. My 6 year old is pictured for scale Not a small shark! But compared to my Otodus obliquus or Otodus megalodon teeth, they're tiny! edit - sorry the pics are a bit blurry, didn't notice how bad they were on my phone screen when I took them. Now I'm on my laptop they look terrible! I think glass cover of the camera lens has muck on it. Thank you so much for sharing! Yeah that's not a small shark and the jaw is very impressive! It is interesting how the teeth in the back are shaped compared to the teeth at the front and how much more symmetrical the back teeth are. Reconstructing an entire animal especially as big as Obliquus and especially Megalodon using only their teeth and modern (suspected) relatives for reference is understandably difficult haha. I don't even believe we ever found a fossilized Jaw of a Meg yet only fractured parts of some, not much to work with. I have some nice Obliquus teeth as well but obviously I eagerly await the arrival of my new Meg tooth. I also have some really exciting Trilobites on the way and an Adcrocuta skull! (an extinct early hyena genus from the Miocene). I actually posted the skull here you can go take a look if you want! And if you want me to send pictures of the Trilobites I would love to as well! Again thanks for sharing, and your 6 year old is adorable! Must be exciting growing up in a house full of fossils! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth_ Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) On 9/20/2021 at 11:26 PM, Sofyar said: Thank you so much for sharing! Yeah that's not a small shark and the jaw is very impressive! It is interesting how the teeth in the back are shaped compared to the teeth at the front and how much more symmetrical the back teeth are. Reconstructing an entire animal especially as big as Obliquus and especially Megalodon using only their teeth and modern (suspected) relatives for reference is understandably difficult haha. I don't even believe we ever found a fossilized Jaw of a Meg yet only fractured parts of some, not much to work with. I have some nice Obliquus teeth as well but obviously I eagerly await the arrival of my new Meg tooth. I also have some really exciting Trilobites on the way and an Adcrocuta skull! (an extinct early hyena genus from the Miocene). I actually posted the skull here you can go take a look if you want! And if you want me to send pictures of the Trilobites I would love to as well! Again thanks for sharing, and your 6 year old is adorable! Must be exciting growing up in a house full of fossils! No problem at all I have no idea how accurate this jaw is, but I'd like to see it in person and have a look at it from all angles. If you notice the plaque on the top left, this jaw is apparently in a museum and they have it mounted upside down! Otodus obliquus On the topic of tooth location in the jaw, I have 3 examples + your tooth to look at, below is just speculation. Your tooth and my brown tooth (a whisker under 5") - lower anterior. Tooth with a slight hook on it (3.78") - lower lateral but closer to anterior. Tooth with the broken tip (a whisker over 4" - sadly, I no longer own it) - lower lateral but closer to posterior. I also have a posterior tooth, but there is no doubt that is a posterior tooth! Thoughts anyone, are my guesses correct? Am I way off? Occasionally my kids will ask about the fossils I have but mostly, they don't care Start a thread in "Member Collections" and you can post up all the fossil goodies you have! Edited September 21, 2021 by Gareth_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofyar Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, Gareth_ said: No problem at all I have no idea how accurate this jaw is, but I'd like to see it in person and have a look at it from all angles. If you notice the plaque on the top left, this jaw is apparently in a museum and they have it mounted upside down! Otodus obliquus On the topic of tooth location in the jaw, I have 3 examples + your tooth to look at, below is just speculation. Your tooth and my brown tooth (a whisker under 5") - lower anterior. Tooth with a slight hook on it (3.78") - lower lateral but closer to anterior. Tooth with the broken tip (a whisker over 4" - sadly, I no longer own it) - lower lateral but closer to posterior. I also have a posterior tooth, but there is no doubt that is a posterior tooth! Thoughts anyone, are my guesses correct? Am I way off? Occasionally my kids will ask about the fossils I have but mostly, they don't care Start a thread in "Member Collections" and you can post up all the fossil goodies you have! Very interesting. If we are completely honest alot of Paleontology is speculation untill you get more fossils to confirm or disprove a theory that's what makes it intriguing! That 5 incher is REALLY nice! Superb serrations and enamel the tip is unworn, amazing! Shark must have barely used it before it fell haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth_ Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 18 hours ago, Sofyar said: Very interesting. If we are completely honest alot of Paleontology is speculation untill you get more fossils to confirm or disprove a theory that's what makes it intriguing! That 5 incher is REALLY nice! Superb serrations and enamel the tip is unworn, amazing! Shark must have barely used it before it fell haha Never a truer statement.... like any science, it's about the journey of discovery, not an end goal. Learning is never complete! Thanks.... the enamel could be in better condition, it's not shiny like the other 2 but it is complete. The 4" tooth (missing tip) by far has the sharpest serrations of the 3.. still wish I kept it haha. The guy I sold it to made a pendant out of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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