found2turnout Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 I have found several very similar to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Gypsum ? Is it fairly soft ? Darker where it has weathered ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
found2turnout Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 nope. not at all soft like gypsum. hmm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Maybe chert. Pictures of all sides would be helpful. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM - APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 @found2turnout The eyes. Pilot checking her air space ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
found2turnout Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 hehehe. something in the air. here is another piece...like I said, several pieces. not flimsy, wouldnt chip or break without serious force. more texture than the photo reveals, shiny but not smooth...I dont even know that makes sense. uhm...shrug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
found2turnout Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 retract my note...because photo b is actually a decent indication of the surface appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Here's an idea . . . drills: 2 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehunter Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Sorry- I don't see the percussive flaking, even with wear or basal symmetry that drills are known for. Could be there, but not with the lighting in these photos.....I think its a chipped/rolled piece of chert........ Bone 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
found2turnout Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
found2turnout Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 really, thanks. I actually didn't know that chert was bone. so, thanks tenfold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, found2turnout said: really, thanks. I actually didn't know that chert was bone. so, thanks tenfold Oops. Bone is his signature. Chert can replace bone (I imagine), but they aren't the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/19/2021 at 11:32 PM, Bonehunter said: Sorry- I don't see the percussive flaking, even with wear or basal symmetry that drills are known for. Could be there, but not with the lighting in these photos.....I think its a chipped/rolled piece of chert........ Bone NA drills are NOT known for percussive [sic] flaking. They would be shaped by pressure flaking, not percussion flaking. These putative drills are not pristine, I grant you; but, the wear, even the breakage, seem about right for a well-used tool. 1 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Harry Pristis said: NA drills are NOT known for percussive [sic] flaking. They would be shaped by pressure flaking, not percussion flaking. These putative drills are not pristine, I grant you; but, the wear, even the breakage, seem about right for a well-used tool. Find a dull drill and compare it to what would act as the cutting edges here. The rounded edges on a flattened off facet could be an indication. Harry seems to have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehunter Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: NA drills are NOT known for percussive [sic] flaking. They would be shaped by pressure flaking, not percussion flaking. These putative drills are not pristine, I grant you; but, the wear, even the breakage, seem about right for a well-used tool. True that for fine work, but not the initial overall shape, which doesn't demonstrate either percussion (initial) or pressure flaking- there's no symmetrical work, even accounting for water wear...., but still.....................I don't see it.............. but would encourage found2 to keep looking-its a good start!!! Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
found2turnout Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 thanks, all. priceless info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
found2turnout Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Rockwood said: Oops. Bone is his signature. Chert can replace bone (I imagine), but they aren't the same. and that thought actually crossed my mind before I hit submit. thanks for the correction. I'm about to research "chert" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: These putative drills are not pristine, I grant you; but, the wear, even the breakage, seem about right for a well-used tool. I'll agree with @Bonehunter and disagree with @Harry Pristis. Even well used, crude stone drills retain most of the purposeful pressure flaking it takes to form the tool. @found2turnout 's first piece shows the glossy surface of a material that looks like it would easily be pressure flaked, but flaking patterns are not evident. Also, the crevice, or crack, doesn't lend itself to the success of usage or the process of pressure flaking. The second piece is far too randomly fractured to suggest human alteration. I've found some gnarly stone artifacts before, but I don't think this one measures up. 2 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
found2turnout Posted September 30, 2021 Author Share Posted September 30, 2021 this information is helpful and I appreciate it. I mentioned I have many pieces that are very similar, all found in the same general location. I'm going to email ualr with photos and see if they might wanna take a gander. thanks, all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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