Shellseeker Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I am mostly anchored to home for the next week, sorting some finds from last month. My process is to pick up almost everything I see, in case it might be a rare fossil (or fossil fragment) that I just do not recognize. I have always thrown back, donated, gifted 80% of what I bring home and that have become critical to keep my "collection" at a level that my spouse will allow. In fact , now I am closer to 95%.... So, with most of the finds already eliminated: There is a few great finds here, that I am able to ID myself. The ones in blue are those I will probably add to my collections. Everything else goes. Any corrections of my IDs are appreciated. I am trying for an Identification on the Whale petrosal. Even whether it is Baleen or Toothed. Realize that I likely need @Boesse to see this. 3 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnbuckeye Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) Jack, many nice finds! You are giving me the itch to get down there. My wife is coming down without me in November! I hope I am able to later in the winter. Mike Edited October 20, 2021 by minnbuckeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 As usual great stuff Jack. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 hours ago, minnbuckeye said: Jack, many nice finds! You are giving me the itch to get down there. My wife is coming down without me in November! I hope I am able to later in the winter. Mike Mike, We are back to low amounts of rain. I will be glad to see you whenever you can make it. 2 hours ago, sixgill pete said: As usual great stuff Jack. Thanks, Pete. The location is "odd". Lots of marine, sharks, rays, fishes, marine mammals, but few land mammal fossils. The Rhino is there but rare, usually fragments of its teeth. The most common land mammal fossil is pre_Pliocene horse and Sandtigers outnumber all the bigger shark teeth combined. Fossils are less plentiful than other locations, but the possibles are exactly what I seek. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesse Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Hey Jack - nice finds! The big petrosal is from a balaenopterid whale, possibly "Balaenoptera borealina". I'd actually be interested in bigger photos of the 'Tursiops' petrosal/periotic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent_Zigzag Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Nice findings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Boesse said: Hey Jack - nice finds! The big petrosal is from a balaenopterid whale, possibly "Balaenoptera borealina". I'd actually be interested in bigger photos of the 'Tursiops' petrosal/periotic! Thanks, Originally I thought I had something different for me because the largest Tursiops petrosal I had found was 31-32 mm in length and the lack of water erosion on this one is impressive. Because of the Rhino material, I am thinking the location is around 10 mya. If you need more angles, let me know. Over the summer, a VERY good friend donated this Northport, Florida land find to me. Can you tell if it is correctly identified as B. sursiplana and is it the same/similar to B. borelina ? I always feel like a newbee in a candy store when I am finding new stuff. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Agent_Zigzag said: Nice findings! Thank you. I deadpanned this a little bit. Anytime , I am finding Rhino and Marine Mammal material, I have a big, BIG, smile on my face. 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesse Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 OK so that odontocete periotic is actually from a beluga (Monodontidae) and the mysticete periotic is from a small right whale (Balaenidae), very likely Balaenula. Both of these are taxa known from the Yorktown Formation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/25/2021 at 9:46 AM, Boesse said: OK so that odontocete periotic is actually from a beluga (Monodontidae) and the mysticete periotic is from a small right whale (Balaenidae), very likely Balaenula. Both of these are taxa known from the Yorktown Formation. Bobby, It is just not said enough. I am really pleased that you choose to bring your experience and knowledge to this forum. Numerous fossils that I have found would not be identified if not for you. It has taken a little while to comment because I wanted to educate myself a little bit about Monodontidae, Balaenula, and Yorktown formation. Not everyone has described the Yorktown Formation as reaching down into Southwest Florida. I tend to believe that there are numerous whale species that have existed in other parts of the world and just not have been identified yet. Marine Mammals just did not always respect state boundaries. Beluga.. wow. What were Beluga whales doing in Fort Meade , Florida 5-10 Myas? I am interested in finding out more about the possibilities. I am searching the internet to find research and photos of Belusa earbones. Recommended reading from any TFF member appreciated. Also, if there is a good home for this one, I'll work on finding that .... Jack 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Family Fun Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Wonderful finds Jack, I always love seeing your posts and pictures of your finds. You always have something I’ve never seen so I’m always learning something new. I have trip planned for the 6th, I so excited to get back out to the river. Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Family Fun said: Wonderful finds Jack, I always love seeing your posts and pictures of your finds. You always have something I’ve never seen so I’m always learning something new. I have trip planned for the 6th, I so excited to get back out to the river. Rick We have a front coming in on Thursday, good Luck Hunting. More about how we can find Beluga fossils in Florida: 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyc Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Great finds, Jack! Love that rhino bone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesse Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 The Yorktown Formation does not extend south past North Carolina - however, it's the only well-published Pliocene marine mammal assemblage on the east coast. There are unstudied marine mammal assemblages from the Pinecrest Beds, Tamiami Formation, and the upper parts of the Bone Valley Fm. of Florida that just have faunal lists but no published descriptions/figures of the marine mammals (partial exception is Gary Morgan's 1994 paper on marine mammals from Florida, but it's far from exhaustive). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 16 hours ago, garyc said: Great finds, Jack! Love that rhino bone! I did not miss this comment, Gary. Just juggling lots of items while still trying to get out hunting as often as I can. Sometimes I run hot , sometimes cold. I am running pretty hot now. I usually hunt with one friend Steve, He was a drag line operator and later maintenance lead for multiple phosphate mines back in the day. Another person who has forgotten more than I'll ever learn. 3-4 years ago , I negotiated a couple of Rhino 3rd Metatarsals from his collections in the mines. Then to find a 3rd metatarsal is special.The recent on is right foot and the 2 from the mines are left foot. The mammal is Teleocerus proteum. These are special, Note the consistent damage to all 3 bones in the 2nd photo. Probably a reason for it that we will never know. The new one is also longer by a half inch. Enjoy. Jack 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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