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Is This Fossil Real?


Marcusm

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Hi. 

My Family has had what we believe is a crab fossil for some years.  It was passed onto us about 10 years ago.  We are in Australia but I believe it possibly comes from Indonesia or East Timor originally.  My question is whether Is anybody able to help me confirm whether this is a real fossil or artistic impression and also what species the crab is.  If real, how would I go about determining a value?

 

Much appreciated

Marcus

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We do not do valuations on the Forum, as it is against the rules.

Check auction sites or retail/commercial dealers for comparable items.

 

@MB  is our resident crab expert. Hopefully, he will chime in on this.

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2 hours ago, Marcusm said:

Thanks @Fossildude19 and @fossisle. @MB appreciate any insights you might have.  Thanks Marcus

I think the red flag for me would be the bubbly underbelly of the crab and the bubbles and divots that ride underneath towards the front ?  The texture looks funny too .. like it has lost it's texture/fine detail. That makes it odd. It's really smooth, I'd be curious if it isn't cast. 

 

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Brett

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2 hours ago, Brett Breakin&#x27; Rocks said:

I'd be curious if it isn't cast

 

If this is a cast, then there should be signs that it was colored, shouldn't there?

 

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You could try a hot needle test. Heat a needle over a flame, and then try to pierce the object with the needle in an inconspicuous area.

If it is resin, it should melt, and the needle will go in.  If plaster or cement, it will not.

 

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  It looks real but it most definitely has some funky looking matrix.  This is one of those, "wish it was in my hands and wearing an opti visor" times.   Seems to have too much detail to be fake?

 

RB

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It can be very hard to see the differences from a cast and a fossil in a photograph. If I could hold it ,that’s different matter . Trying the hot needle or better photographs will help. They need to be taken in daylight and in focus. My gut felling is it is real but the artificial light makes it look a little suspect Cheers Bobby 

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I cropped and brightened the photos, and enlarged where necessary.

 

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After seeing Tim’s work I I think it is a cast, sadly . They definitely look like air bubbles to me to.

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Thanks all for your input. It is sounding like it could be a cast. I will try and get some clearer photos in natural daylight in any case. Really appreciate you taking a look.

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Just now, Marcusm said:

Thanks all for your input. It is sounding like it could be a cast. I will try and get some clearer photos in natural daylight in any case. Really appreciate you taking a look.

Try the hot needle at the bottom side to see if it’s resin.

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You can also rub a bit of acetone on a out of the way spot to see if painted. The acetone will wipe some paint off. If real ia little wipe shouldn't do any damage. Don't drowned it though. That would cause any repairs, if real  to come apart!

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On 12/9/2021 at 4:27 AM, Marcusm said:

Thanks @Fossildude19 and @fossisle. @MB appreciate any insights you might have.  Thanks Marcus

Hi all, hard to say as always with that stuff.

Carapace looks like a freshwater crab, but the rest is very hard to say from here.

No data on locality and age... no nothing, no value.

But you can keep it as a nice oddity and if some expert can ever get their hands on it, they will confirm its authenticity or not.

Have a nice day.

:)

 

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I was staying out of this one becuase i was on the fence about it. But after seeing fossildudes enhanced photos I’m now heavily leaning towards it being a cast.

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I agree this is a cast. Color is too uniform. I am more interested in the live mite crawling on it in picture #5.

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