X-Ray Peter Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Hi Community, I am not quite sure what my latest addition to my fossil collection really is. Kryptodrakon? Kunpengopterus antipollicatus? Confuciusornis? (But there is no tail and no indication of feathers) Monkeydactyl”? Please help me in identifying what it really is. Size: 12" by 10" Many thanks, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) Hate to break it to you, but this is virtually certain the be a fake. It's a thin cut-out of a skeleton adhered to a flat rock. Edited December 20, 2021 by Carl 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 I agree; it seems to be an art project and not a fossil. 5 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Agree, unfortunately you see lots of these type of fabrications on internet sites and they dupe many collectors. Best you can do is try to obtain a refund. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Ray Peter Posted December 20, 2021 Author Share Posted December 20, 2021 It came with a certificate of athenticy of the Asia Museum. From rock etc. it looks very authentic and breaks very easily. To me it looks quite authentic compared to my approx. 800 other fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Look COA's are worthless documents when it comes to fossils, anyone can print one saying anything they want. Asian museum? Where? There is no bone detail in your specimen, bones are basically flat, its carved out of the matrix. Compare this one to yours 4 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guns Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Agree with others. I hope you can get your money back . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Anyone with a printer can print out a "Certificate Of Authenticity". They mean absolutely NOTHING. Unless there are photos of the fossil as found, and before preparation, included with the COA, there is no worth to a COA. 5 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indominus rex Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 hour ago, X-Ray Peter said: It came with a certificate of athenticy of the Asia Museum. From rock etc. it looks very authentic and breaks very easily. To me it looks quite authentic compared to my approx. 800 other fossils. Sorry to break it to you but you have been duped. AsiaMuseum is the username of the seller on (everybody’s favourite auction site) but they have no ties as far as I know with any actual natural history museums and often sell fabricated/ heavily restored fossils. Also as @Troodon said COA are pretty much worthless. 1 Life started in the ocean. And so did my interest in fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, indominus rex said: Sorry to break it to you but you have been duped. AsiaMuseum is the username of the seller on (everybody’s favourite auction site) but they have no ties as far as I know with any actual natural history museums and often sell fabricated/ heavily restored fossils. Also as @Troodon said COA are pretty much worthless. If thats the case he has the ability to return it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daves64 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) That's called a Dupesaurus Refundus. Edited December 20, 2021 by daves64 3 Accomplishing the impossible means only that the boss will add it to your regular duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahnmut Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Troodon said: Look COA's are worthless documents when it comes to fossils, anyone can print one saying anything they want. Asian museum? Where? There is no bone detail in your specimen its carved out of the matrix. Compare this one to yours I have got a cast of that one, never knew how red the original is. Can you tell me where the original is? Best regards, J Try to learn something about everything and everything about something Thomas Henry Huxley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Trilo Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Mahnmut said: I have got a cast of that one, never knew how red the original is. Can you tell me where the original is? Best regards, J From the Wall Street Journal. 1 1 “If fossils are not "boggling" your mind then you are simply not doing it right” -Ken (digit) "No fossil is garbage, it´s just not completely preserved” -Franz (FranzBernhard) "With hammer in hand, the open horizon of time, and dear friends by my side, what can we not accomplish together?" -Kane (Kane) "We are in a way conquering time, reuniting members of a long lost family" -Quincy (Opabinia Blues) "I loved reading the trip reports, I loved the sharing, I loved the educational aspect, I loved the humor. It felt like home. It still does" -Mike (Pagurus) “The best deal I ever got was getting accepted as a member on The Fossil Forum. Not only got an invaluable pool of knowledge, but gained a loving family as well.” -Doren (caldigger) "it really is nice, to visit the oasis that is TFF" -Tim (fossildude19) "Life's Good! -Adam (Tidgy's Dad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) The original is in the Goldfuss Museum in Bonn, Germany. https://idw-online.de/de/news705874 Edited December 20, 2021 by oilshale 2 Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahnmut Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 hour ago, oilshale said: The original is in the Goldfuss Museum in Bonn, Germany. https://idw-online.de/de/news705874 https://www.ifgeo.uni-bonn.de/museen/goldfuss-museum/fossil-des-jahres-2021 Thats funny, I live in Bonn. It seems it has been lent to other museums for some time and is back now. have to see when they open. Sorry for distracting from the OPs Pterosaur, but to come back to him, there are good replicas to be had for little money! Best Regards, J Try to learn something about everything and everything about something Thomas Henry Huxley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBoy Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Its a shame how many collectors fall prey to this type of art. More reason to get advice before one buys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Ray Peter Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 Thanks for the comments Best regards Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) The thing that stuck out to me was how solid the "skull" looks. Pterosaur skulls and the other bones are more fragile than that as you can see in Troodon's photo. You would need an artist very knowledgeable about pterosaur anatomy to fake that. It would be too much work and it couldn't look too good. Even the bones of one of the larger pterosaurs like Pteranodon are fragile and they tend to be found mostly crushed. You're lucky to find a nice, identifiable bone end. Before anyone buys an apparent pterosaur skeleton, you need to know what one looks like. Some bones are inevitably missing, some are damaged or out of place. You need to become your own expert on something like that because there's never a pterosaur expert around when you need one. I'm lucky. One of my friends who knows what to look for used to live about 25 miles away. He moved out-of-state but I have another friend about as far away who could help me as well if I have a chance to buy a bone or a skeleton. Edited December 23, 2021 by siteseer clarification 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Ray Peter Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 Thanks man the skull is almost missing and just the outlines are visible. Teeth are just needle scratches. Bones, when raked with a needle sound almost hollow. not all bones are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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