Giant footprint

[Organicognition]

Another photo from my travels looks remarkably like a foot print.

But can't be a giant lol

Goes against mainstream beliefs

[Mark Kmiecik]

Back when this rock was mud (soft enough to form a footprint in) shoes were still many, many, many millions of years short of existence. If it was a barefoot print one would expect evidence of toes or claws if animal. It's just a depression in the rock caused by differential weathering. There's trillions of those around the world, pretty much anywhere you find sedimentary rock and water in close proximity.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Mark Kmiecik
fix typo

[Organicognition]

Thanks for reply....im sure back then people still had some form of rudimentary shoe, maybe made from animal skins. 

Ps...must be large as bros foot was size 10 .

[Mark Kmiecik]

2 minutes ago, Organicognition said:

Thanks for reply....im sure back then people still had some form of rudimentary shoe, maybe made from animal skins. 

Ps...must be large as bros foot was size 10 .

 

This rock was formed wwwaaaaaayyyyy before people existed. 

[Rockwood]

This looks like a high energy environment. The cobble around it would likely have seriously altered any original shape.

[Organicognition]

Then to say I believe there was a previously advanced civilisation long long long ago will sound really crazy lol

[Mark Kmiecik]

Just now, Organicognition said:

Then to say I believe there was a previously advanced civilisation long long long ago will sound really crazy lol

 

I wouldn't say it's crazy. It's just something we don't have positive proof of (yet?). At this point it's possible, just not probable.

[Fossildude19]

2 minutes ago, Organicognition said:

Then to say I believe there was a previously advanced civilisation long long long ago will sound really crazy lol

 

We stick to scientific facts here. 

[Rockwood]

Well, evidence at least, facts could be a tad strong.

[JohnJ]

39 minutes ago, Organicognition said:

But can't be a giant lol

Goes against mainstream beliefs

 

Please keep in mind part of our published community standards:

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The Fossil Forum is a venue for the sharing of a common interest in fossils (please note that, pursuant to this, we are fundamentally a science-based forum, wherein curiosity meets critical thinking, and topics promulgating metaphysical, paranormal, conspiracy theory, or pseudo-scientific topics will be out of place). Participants in the resulting social network expect and deserve a respectful and courteous dialog.

 

[abyssunder]

I would call it differential erosion.

[JBkansas]

It's a cool rock! 

[Organicognition]

I believe there has been proof of a previous advanced civilisation from carbon dating  to giant bones found and many more other things. Because these things do not conform with mainstream beliefs these discoveries lose validation, evidence is censored and qualified people are discredited. 

If my beliefs offend anyone then I'm sorry lol but no one should be that sensitive and please don't label me as a conspiracy theorist lol....

 

[Tidgy's Dad]

1 hour ago, Organicognition said:

I believe there has been proof of a previous advanced civilisation from carbon dating  to giant bones found and many more other things. Because these things do not conform with mainstream beliefs these discoveries lose validation, evidence is censored and qualified people are discredited. 

If my beliefs offend anyone then I'm sorry lol but no one should be that sensitive and please don't label me as a conspiracy theorist lol....

 

The fact that you state that somehow science has an agenda which includes having a single "mainstream belief" and then suggest that " these discoveries lose validation, evidence is censored and qualified people are discredited. " is in itself evidence you are a conspiracy theorist by definition. 

Science is not about belief. It's about ideas supported by evidence, which can and are tested repeatedly and must be falsifiable. If an ancient civilization is discovered, why would we be unhappy? Science often has disproved what were considered "mainstream beliefs".  Science is about supporting theories with evidence and knocking old ideas down to replace them with new ones. Not about the status quo. 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Tidgy's Dad

[Kane]

38 minutes ago, Organicognition said:

I believe there has been proof of a previous advanced civilisation from carbon dating  to giant bones found and many more other things. Because these things do not conform with mainstream beliefs these discoveries lose validation, evidence is censored and qualified people are discredited. 

If my beliefs offend anyone then I'm sorry lol but no one should be that sensitive and please don't label me as a conspiracy theorist lol....

 

Proof is fine for math and whiskey, not in science. That is not how the empirical method works. As Adam sagely said above, falsification and stringent testing are the litmus of science. Belief and science also do not mix.

 

Evidence is not "censored." Regardless of what is said on YouTube, there is no agenda, and truth wins out. There are certainly things we want to be true, or that we don't want to be true, but reality has other plans and good minds will almost always find a way of speaking truth to falsehood, even under the duress of political oppression -- and that has been borne out repeatedly in history.

 

To claim that evidence of some previous advanced civilization is being censored raises the question of what is there to gain in doing so. Most democratic political systems around the world are fairly short-sighted in their goals on the basis of election cycles and very simple interests. There is nothing of political value in trying to censor that type of information, if it were even viable, which our current understanding says it is not. More likely, a dogged belief in some previous advanced civilization is really just a cover for a desire to create some mystical causative meaning for our existence. Occam's razor is very helpful when considering conspiracy theories such as these. 

 

Not all things "mainstream" are suspect or evil. Many mainstream views have entered into our societies that are useful to keep, such as the abolition of slavery or universal enfranchisement of the vote or that the world is round. Far too often, "mainstream" is brandished like an epithet to advance the views of what certain people want to be true. It certainly drives clickbait, though!

[JBkansas]

As someone who knows some scientists, the idea of not publishing something because it goes against the mainstream is hard to believe. There's arguments in paleontology right now about trying to eliminate upto a third of known dinosaur species.

[Organicognition]

Thanks for comments

 

Edited May 29, 2022 by Organicognition
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[FranzBernhard]

7 hours ago, JBkansas said:

As someone who knows some scientists, the idea of not publishing something because it goes against the mainstream is hard to believe. There's arguments in paleontology right now about trying to eliminate upto a third of known dinosaur species.

This is a very detailed and tiny "problem". No problem at all. Considering the very fragmentary evidence (conservation bias etc.), there are many ways estimating number of species within a related group of organisms, all with its merits and pitfalls. Number of dino species will often change for some time to come .

Franz Bernhard

[Organicognition]

Thanks for people's educated comments . I believe through what I have seen that there is a reason to cover things up if they do not conform with mainstream beliefs. I admit I am just a rambler though with little knowledge of paleontology and I also admit that photo is probably not an actual footprint lol. I don't like the term conspiracy theriost as I believe that term was put out there to TAG people with alternative beliefs so I think I am a conspiracy realist. 

I do believe there have been previously advanced civilisations on this planet but I have no proof and it is just a belief ! So sorry for not sticking to facts.

I will carry with my pursuit of freedom and adventure and hope to send you some more controversial photos soon

take care

 

 

[Ludwigia]

13 minutes ago, Organicognition said:

and hope to send you some more controversial photos soon

 After this exchange, I would strongly suggest that you send your photos elsewhere on a more appropriate website which is more attuned to your beliefs. I'm afraid that posting them here would just be a waste of your and our time.

[Organicognition]

Isn't that the idea of this site ?

To discuss fossilised things.

If I knew much about paleontology I wouldn't need people's opinion.  You seem to have a problem with debate Ludwig and a very closed mind. With your attitude nothing amazing would be discovered  ! 

[Coco]

Hi,

 

29 minutes ago, Organicognition said:

 I admit I am just a rambler though with little knowledge of paleontology and I also admit that photo is probably not an actual footprint lol.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Organicognition said:

If I knew much about paleontology

 

The Dunning-Kruger effect, also known as the overconfidence effect, is a cognitive bias by which the least qualified in a field overestimate their competence.

 

8 minutes ago, Organicognition said:

You seem to have a problem with debate Ludwig and a very closed mind. With your attitude nothing amazing would be discovered  ! 

 

You don’t know who you’re talking to ! @Ludwigia is a specialist in his field of paleontology and I trust him, because he isn't fixed on his ideas of determinations. He knows his field very well for decades, and that doesn't prevent him from asking the opinion of others from time to time to affirm or invalidate his thoughts on an identification of which he would not be sure. This is exactly what a scientist does : challenge his knowledge, share with others and move forward together in this way !

 

Coco