Ossicle Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) "Europe's 'largest ever' land dinosaur found on Isle of Wight" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-61743759 Edited June 9, 2022 by Ossicle 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdsAreDinosaurs Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 This is a direct link to the open access research paper: https://peerj.com/articles/13543/ 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 incredible..., big one ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FF7_Yuffie Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 So, if this is a different species--it makes 4 spinosaurids from Isle of Wight now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, FF7_Yuffie said: So, if this is a different species--it makes 4 spinosaurids from Isle of Wight now? By my reckoning... But to few diagnostic remains have been discovered as of yet to postulate this. It is rather amazing, though, isn't it Edited June 10, 2022 by pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon 1 'There's nothing like millions of years of really frustrating trial and error to give a species moral fibre and, in some cases, backbone' -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FF7_Yuffie Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon said: By my reckoning... But to few diagnostic remains have been discovered as of yet to postulate this. It is rather amazing, though, isn't it It is. Seems to have been a bit of a spate of Isle of Wight discoveries/research in recent years--the two new Baryonyx species last year and vectiraptor a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Keep in mind that the two IOW were discovered in the slightly older Wessex Fm and this one is from the Vectis Fm. Baryonyx is described from the Wealden Clay on the mainland. So are the IOW remains identified as Baryonyx belong to one of the those two? More discoveries needed. Hard to imagine 3 Spinosaurid in the same fauna but not impossible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, Troodon said: Keep in mind that the two IOW were discovered in the slightly older Wessex Fm and this one is from the Vectis Fm. Baryonyx is described from the Wealden Clay on the mainland. So are the IOW remains identified as Baryonyx belong to one of the those two? More discoveries needed. Hard to imagine 3 Spinosaurid in the same fauna but not impossible Very true. Strictly speaking I'd therefore indeed advocate restraint in how many species you count on the IoW, restricting oneself to the two described ones, however tantalizing the idea of one to two species more on the island may be... Only the future will tell us how many there actually were (especially so since taxonomy is tricky business that can be rather subjective when dealing with lumpers and splitters) 1 'There's nothing like millions of years of really frustrating trial and error to give a species moral fibre and, in some cases, backbone' -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB003 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon said: Very true. Strictly speaking I'd therefore indeed advocate restraint in how many species you count on the IoW, restricting oneself to the two described ones, however tantalizing the idea of one to two species more on the island may be... Only the future will tell us how many there actually were (especially so since taxonomy is tricky business that can be rather subjective when dealing with lumpers and splitters) For the less educated (me) what is a lumper as used here? *Frank* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, FB003 said: For the less educated (me) what is a lumper as used here? A lumper is someone who takes, say, existing multiple yet related species and reclassifies them as a single species, whereas a splitter takes a single genus or species and makes them all distinctly new species on the basis of observable characteristics... or maybe on a whim. Sometimes lumping and splitting is justified, and other times it can be a bit subjective and a head-scratcher. 2 1 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBkansas Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Aren't most dinos from the IoW described from 1 or 2 bones, I think there's supposedly 4-5 "different" titanosaurs that lived there during the early Cretaceous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB003 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, Kane said: A lumper is someone who takes, say, existing multiple yet related species and reclassifies them as a single species, whereas a splitter takes a single genus or species and makes them all distinctly new species on the basis of observable characteristics... or maybe on a whim. Sometimes lumping and splitting is justified, and other times it can be a bit subjective and a head-scratcher. Got it. Makes perfect sense. Thanks! *Frank* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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