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Hi guys, not too sure how reliable the provenance on this is but it’s supposedly from cadzand, Netherlands, I got it in a lot of dolphin tooth, but the serration reminded me of squalodon which it obviously isnt but I was wondering if anyone else had any ideas :) 

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Could perhaps be Delphinodon dividum or Eurhinodelphinidae. 
I am not an expert on prehistoric dolphin unfortunately, but I now both are present in Cadzand. 
Nice tooth btw!

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All I know of Cadzand is the Miocene (if I'm not mistaken) age, and the shark and ray teeth and shark vertebra I used to find there as a kid. Maybe @Shellseeker can help figure out what kind of cetacean this could be? And perhaps @sjaak knows whether this type of preservation matches Cadzand? Although I do think it also wouldn't be a bad match for Kaloot (never searched there myself, though, and have only seen little material from there).

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4 hours ago, will stevenson said:

Hi guys, not too sure how reliable the provenance on this is but it’s supposedly from cadzand, Netherlands, I got it in a lot of dolphin tooth, but the serration reminded me of squalodon which it obviously isnt but I was wondering if anyone else had any ideas :) 

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Hi Will,

 

I have a book on Cadzand fossils but it doesn't show a tooth like that.  The book is in Dutch but based on what I've seen before from there and what I understand of Dutch (haven't studied it but it's similar to English and German), you get fossils of a range of ages from there (maybe as old as Eocene and certainly some from the Pleistocene).  That looks like a more modern dolphin (Pliocene-Pleistocene) but I've seen some small teeth from as far back as the Late Oligocene that look rather modern.

 

Jess

 

 

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3 minutes ago, siteseer said:

I have a book on Cadzand fossils but it doesn't show a tooth like that.  The book is in Dutch but based on what I've seen before from there and what I understand of Dutch (haven't studied it but it's similar to English and German), you get fossils of a range of ages from there (maybe as old as Eocene and certainly some from the Pleistocene).

 

Hi Jess,

 

If you've got any information in that book that might be pertinently to the ID and are able to scan it, we've got a couple of Dutch forum members - myself included - who probably wouldn't mind translating or summarising sections ;)

 

You're right, though, in that, as far as I'm aware, the dredged sands deposited on the beach there cover multiple ages... You can even find palaeolithic flint tools there, as I've done myself :)

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7 minutes ago, pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon said:

 

Hi Jess,

 

If you've got any information in that book that might be pertinently to the ID and are able to scan it, we've got a couple of Dutch forum members - myself included - who probably wouldn't mind translating or summarising sections ;)

 

You're right, though, in that, as far as I'm aware, the dredged sands deposited on the beach there cover multiple ages... You can even find palaeolithic flint tools there, as I've done myself :)

 

Hi Pachy-Pleuro,

 

The book's title is "Strandfossielen van Cadzand en Nieuwvliet-bad: Haaien - En Roggentanden, Schelpen, Krabben, Slangsterren, Zoogdierresten" (2nd edition, 1999).  I think the publisher is Nederlandse Geologische Vereniging Afdeling Amsterdam.  It has some photos and line drawings but nothing close to that tooth.  I don't think I've seen a tooth like that from the Sharktooth Hill Bonebed.  I don't think I have a tooth like that from other Miocene sites nor from the Pliocene.  I'll take a look.

 

Jess

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I do not have an answer, but I did find a dolphin/whale tooth tip,  with a similar collar on the tip

 

 

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On 6/21/2022 at 10:01 PM, pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon said:

All I know of Cadzand is the Miocene (if I'm not mistaken) age, and the shark and ray teeth and shark vertebra I used to find there as a kid. Maybe @Shellseeker can help figure out what kind of cetacean this could be? And perhaps @sjaak knows whether this type of preservation matches Cadzand? Although I do think it also wouldn't be a bad match for Kaloot (never searched there myself, though, and have only seen little material from there).

thanks i think it ranges from eocene to pleistocene :) 

23 hours ago, siteseer said:

 

Hi Will,

 

I have a book on Cadzand fossils but it doesn't show a tooth like that.  The book is in Dutch but based on what I've seen before from there and what I understand of Dutch (haven't studied it but it's similar to English and German), you get fossils of a range of ages from there (maybe as old as Eocene and certainly some from the Pleistocene).  That looks like a more modern dolphin (Pliocene-Pleistocene) but I've seen some small teeth from as far back as the Late Oligocene that look rather modern.

 

Jess

 

 

Hi jess it sure is an interesting one! i havent seen another like it but im not well acquainted with cetacean fossils :) 

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Strange tooth for Cadzand. Maybe you could contact Hidde Bakker or Klaas Post on social media or contact this museum: https://www.hetnatuurhistorisch.nl/contact/

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Hi all, the tooth in question has an extra little cusp on it and a bit of cingulum - and does not resemble any post-middle Miocene dolphins. These sorts of teeth - single rooted, with crowns that have any ornamentation on them - are generally characteristic of lower to middle Miocene dolphins. This one compares relatively well with the early Miocene dolphin Araeodelphis natator from the Calvert Formation:

 

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On 6/25/2022 at 3:15 PM, Boesse said:

Hi all, the tooth in question has an extra little cusp on it and a bit of cingulum - and does not resemble any post-middle Miocene dolphins. These sorts of teeth - single rooted, with crowns that have any ornamentation on them - are generally characteristic of lower to middle Miocene dolphins. This one compares relatively well with the early Miocene dolphin Araeodelphis natator from the Calvert Formation:

 

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Thanks so much that looks like a good match to me :) 

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