marguy Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) During our explorations in search of fossils, we obviously favor sedimentary rocks; I invite you to follow me with my wife in search of fossils… in volcanic rocks! (only observation without sampling) In the center of the volcanic massif of Cantal (central France), we explored a not very accessible valley where outcrop deposits of breccias of dense pyroclastic flows, in search of fossil woods of Villafranchian age (upper Pleistocene). According to an old reference (conference , 1969) one can find: “sometimes tree trunks inclined in all directions and sometimes branches. They are black, it is charcoal, produced by combustion in the absence of oxygen. After their reduction in carbon, certain woods underwent a strong fumarolic activity with silicification in opal cristobalite, generally respecting the vegetal structures.” By anatomical study in microscopy, 5 genera have been identified: Cedroxylon, Piceoxylon, Cornoxylon, Fagoxylon, Ulmoxylon. They suggest a temperate or mountain type climate. The conservation of carbonized organic matter indicates that the rock emplacement temperature must have been relatively lower than at the volcanic magma exit point estimated at 900°C according to mineralogy. The pyroclastic flow therefore destroyed a forest by descending the slope of the volcano while cooling. Let us now see in some photos what we discovered with wonder: 2 fossiliferous sites, the first with only one vertical trunk in an overhanging cliff, the second with multiple trunks preserved or hollowed out and branches on the bank of the river (without signs of silicification on these 2 sites found about 300 meters apart). There must therefore still be other nearby sites, but the difficult access to the site probably keeps them out of sight. Edited July 11, 2022 by marguy 2 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meganeura Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 That's really neat! I was under the impression that fossils were just about never found in volcanic rock due to the nature of how hot lava is. Makes sense that in certain, rare cases, some stuff would be preserved! 1 Fossils? I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Very interesting trip report! Thank you for posting it here. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nala Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Great report!nice pictures!Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilNerd Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Very interesting! I’ve never heard of preservation like this. We learn something new everyday it seems. Thanks for sharing! The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. -Neil deGrasse Tyson Everyone you will ever meet knows something you don't. -Bill Nye (The Science Guy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Nice report ! Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxytropidoceras Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/11/2022 at 3:03 PM, FossilNerd said: Very interesting! I’ve never heard of preservation like this. Fossils in lava can be even weirder: Climbers find basalt mold and bones of a 15-million-year- old rhinoceros at Blue Lake, Grant County (July 1935) Rhino Resource Center Blue Lake Rhino Cave, Coulee City, Washington, Atlas Obscura There's a Rhino-shaped Cave in Washington State, How Stuff Works Some papers are: Beck, G. F. (1937) Remarkable west American fossil, the Blue Lake rhino [Washington]. Mineralogist. vol. 5, pp. 8, pp. 7-8. (Oregon Agate and Mineral Society. Portland, OR, United States) Chappell, W. M., J. W. Durham and D. E. Savage (1949) Rhinoceros mold in basalt. Geological Society of America Bulletin. vol. 60, no. 12, Part 2, pp. 1949. Chappell, W. M., J. W. Durham and D. E. Savage (1951) Mold of a rhinoceros in basalt, Lower Grand Coulee, Washington. Geological Society of America Bulletin. vol. 62, no. 8, pp.s 907-918. Yours, PAul H. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marguy Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 thank you all for your feedback and comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemipristis Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 2:16 AM, Meganeura said: That's really neat! I was under the impression that fossils were just about never found in volcanic rock due to the nature of how hot lava is. Makes sense that in certain, rare cases, some stuff would be preserved! Under the impression, lol. Ya made a funny! Fossils in volcanic tuff aren't exactly common, but are known 1 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' George Santayana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 In Hawaii, recent lava flows have created exterior molds of trees. Assuming they don’t erode away, they may become fossils 10k years after their formation. Has anyone seen tree molds in lava that are at least 10k years old? https://www.nps.gov/havo/learn/nature/lava-trees.htm 1 1 My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimB88 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 2 hours ago, DPS Ammonite said: In Hawaii, recent lava flows have created exterior molds of trees. Assuming they don’t erode away, they may become fossils 10k years after their formation. Has anyone seen tree molds in lava that are at least 10k years old? https://www.nps.gov/havo/learn/nature/lava-trees.htm Yep, check out the Ginko petrified forest in Washington. Where pillow lava (in a lake) encased many logs that were at the bottom. Its a state park. A good talk about it by Nick Zentner: https://youtu.be/nfbMxrPnYcc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Rock Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 I have come to the conclusion that the ONLY place you are GUARANTEED NOT to find fossils is anyplace that you NEVER LOOK! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxytropidoceras Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) On 7/16/2022 at 5:56 AM, DPS Ammonite said: In Hawaii, recent lava flows have created exterior molds of trees. Lava tree casts have been found all over the world. Some examples: Antarctica – lava tree casts – Jurassic Siders, M.A. and Haban, M.A., Jurassic trees engulfed by lavas of the Kirkpatrick Basalt Group, northern Victoria Land. Mineralogy and Petrology, 73, pp.89-104. Cameroon – lava tree casts – Cenozoic Hyde, H.P., 1951. Tree trunks preserved in a volcanic flow in the northern Cameroons. American Journal of Science, 249(1), pp.72-77. New Zealand – lava tree casts - 140,000 BP Allen, S.R. and Smith, I.E., 1991. The lava flows north of Takapuna Beach. Tane (Journal of the Auckland University Field Club), 33, pp.49-58. Scotland – lava tree casts – Paleocene Bell, B.R. and Williamson, I.T., 2016. Fossil trees, tree moulds and tree casts in the Palaeocene Mull Lava Field, NW Scotland: context, formation and implications for lava emplacement. Earth and Environmental Science Transactions of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, 107(1), pp.53-71. Direct link to PDF of paper's preprint General lava tree casts Bella, P. and Gaál, L., 2007. Tree mould caves within the framework of cave genetic classification. Nature Conservation, 63, pp.7-11. Papers by Pavel Bella A paper about the formation of lava trees casts. Chevrel, M.O., Harris, A., Ajas, A., Biren, J., Gurioli, L. and Calabrò, L., 2019. Investigating physical and thermal interactions between lava and trees: the case of Kīlauea’s July 1974 flow. Bulletin of Volcanology, 81(2), pp.1-19. Yours, Paul H. Edited July 20, 2022 by Oxytropidoceras grammar 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marguy Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share Posted December 3, 2022 some more, jurassic fossil trees in Mongolia (french language, but great pictures) : https://planet-terre.ens-lyon.fr/ressource/Img751-2022-06-13.xml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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