FireDove Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Rorocks i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Hunter Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 I'm not seeing anything that can be opened, not even sure I see a clam. Could you elaborate on the parasite thing in the tag? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell Ricketts Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 No fossils there. 1 _________________________________ Wendell Ricketts Fossil News: The Journal of Avocational Paleontology http://fossilnews.org https://twitter.com/Fossil_News The "InvertebrateMe" blog http://invertebrateme.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 I'm not seeing any fossils here. I would suggest that you post your questions directly here in a reply instead of placing them in the tags, which is somewhat confusing and also sometimes completely overlooked. 1 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 I must agree with what was said above. I also don't see any crystals either. "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireDove Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 10:18 PM, Lone Hunter said: I'm not seeing anything that can be opened, not even sure I see a clam. Could you elaborate on the parasite thing in the tag? What I mean by parasites is the bug or creature that died in the rocks turned into a crystalized bone structure like tiny diamonds stuck together where bones used to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, FireDove said: What I mean by parasites is the bug or creature that died in the rocks turned into a crystalized bone structure like tiny diamonds stuck together where bones used to be Ummmm........please be a little more specific and show and tell us where you think you are seeing these things. All I'm seeing so far are 2 photos of a rock. Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireDove Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Ludwigia said: Ummmm........please be a little more specific and show and tell us where you think you are seeing these things. All I'm seeing so far are 2 photos of a rock. Okay I have to go through my rocks and get them so please be patient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 hours ago, FireDove said: What I mean by parasites is the bug or creature that died in the rocks turned into a crystalized bone structure like tiny diamonds stuck together where bones used to be The process is called permineralization. Google it or read about it at the library. In a nutshell, dissolved minerals replace organic matter in anaerobic environs retaining cellular structure of the original organism, occasionally forming crystals during part or all of the replacement process. This is an extremely abbreviated explanation. If you really want to know how it's possible, it will take a few hours with book in hand. 1 Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireDove Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 this was in these rocks that I extracted from by using several different types of liquid it's not the crystalized type but it was a golden metal of where it to the shape of the creature in I at first thought it was a ring someone had lost my guess was it burned up the creature and took its shape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireDove Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mark Kmiecik said: The process is called permineralization. Google it or read about it at the library. In a nutshell, dissolved minerals replace organic matter in anaerobic environs retaining cellular structure of the original organism, occasionally forming crystals during part or all of the replacement process. This is an extremely abbreviated explanation. If you really want to know how it's possible, it will take a few hours with book in hand. Thanks I just think it's so amazing how nature changed it to be so beautiful and wanted to know how & why and how long it takes for it to happen so I can get a idea of how old it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, FireDove said: how & why and how long it takes That's the part that requires a longer explanation than I care to type. Have some fun while learning something new. 1 Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 The first and last photos show pyrite. Not sure what those are in the middle photo though. 1 Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireDove Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 I thought pyrite was magnetic I'm not sure what ore it is but it came out of the middle picture I sent with this here I am posting the crystalized fossilized creatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BobWill Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Pyrite is not magnetic and not attracted to a magnet either. We learn the age of fossils by recognizing the deposits they are found in, not by knowing the process that formed them. You can get the name of the formations from a geological map or by telling us the general area where you collected these and that tells us the age. Someone more familiar with the coral in your last photos will give you the name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 As Bob Will has already mentioned, the "creature" you are showing us in your 1st, 2nd and last photos in your previous posts is a fossilized and crystalized coral. The ones in the middle show a simple crystal vug, probably either calcite or quartz, and not a "creature". Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireDove Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 Thanks to all for putting up with my untrainedness did I just make up a word,lol and thanks for the great welcoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWill Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 11 hours ago, FireDove said: Thanks to all for putting up with my untrainedness did I just make up a word,lol and thanks for the great welcoming We all come at the world of fossils untrained at first and even seasoned paleontologists can only bring to the table those things they have experience with so they may make an occasional wild guess based on limited knowledge. You have come to the right place to learn from some of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireDove Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 9:27 PM, BobWill said: Pyrite is not magnetic and not attracted to a magnet either. We learn the age of fossils by recognizing the deposits they are found in, not by knowing the process that formed them. You can get the name of the formations from a geological map or by telling us the general area where you collected these and that tells us the age. Someone more familiar with the coral in your last photos will give you the name. I found all my finds in Pike county Illinois in my yard and local creeks close to the Mississippi river Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahnmut Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Hello Firedove, and welcome to teh forum! fossilization is a complex process, in which remnants of lifeforms are changed and preserved by geology (most times they just vanish over time, fossils are the rare exceptions). On the other hand, geology is changed by lifeforms and their remnants. Take for example the pyrite in your finds. Iron sulfide is soluble under certain alkaline conditions. Where there is a dead mollusc decomposing in the ground, the pH turns more acidic, making the iron sulfide less soluble: pyrite crystals start to grow, more or less following the shape of the dead mollusc. Sometimes the shell or hollow bone only provides a space, where minerals that otherwise would have grown microscopically small between the grains can grow to visible crystals, like in any other vug/geode. Here is a good start on the many different ways fossils form: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil Best regards, J 1 Try to learn something about everything and everything about something Thomas Henry Huxley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kmiecik Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 19 hours ago, FireDove said: I found all my finds in Pike county Illinois in my yard and local creeks close to the Mississippi river Illinois is one of those states of the union that has been blessed by being covered in fossils from head to toe. There's almost nowhere in Illinois where you can't find fossils, and if you find one of those, just move 20 miles in any direction and you'll find some. Mark. Fossil hunting is easy -- they don't run away when you shoot at them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireDove Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 On 10/5/2022 at 6:49 AM, Mahnmut said: Hello Firedove, and welcome to teh forum! fossilization is a complex process, in which remnants of lifeforms are changed and preserved by geology (most times they just vanish over time, fossils are the rare exceptions). On the other hand, geology is changed by lifeforms and their remnants. Take for example the pyrite in your finds. Iron sulfide is soluble under certain alkaline conditions. Where there is a dead mollusc decomposing in the ground, the pH turns more acidic, making the iron sulfide less soluble: pyrite crystals start to grow, more or less following the shape of the dead mollusc. Sometimes the shell or hollow bone only provides a space, where minerals that otherwise would have grown microscopically small between the grains can grow to visible crystals, like in any other vug/geode. Here is a good start on the many different ways fossils form: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil Best regards, J Ty so much, they all just fascinate me and their colors can be very beautiful and yet confusing like this steak rock I call it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireDove Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 Just now, FireDove said: Ty so much, they all just fascinate me and their colors can be very beautiful and yet confusing like this steak rock I call it The colors are so red like meat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireDove Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 8:08 AM, FireDove said: The colors are so red like meat Can anyone tell me what kind of rock this is I found it in my yard or basement where a stream runs under my house from somewhere it's black sand,light tan clay, rocks and roots growing like a plant but no leaves and it catches bugs in hair like fibers I live in Barry Illinois close to Hannibal Missouri ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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