Marco L Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Hello again, I have two more specimens that I cannot ID. I suspect the long yellowish rod is a belemnite, but it looks odd. It has a hole on hole side, but no hole on the second side. The small tooth like object is small and is not hollow, could it be a Saber toothed salmon tooth? Thanks, Marco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikrogeophagus Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I agree with the 2nd specimen being "Saber toothed salmon" or Enchodus for short Not sure about the first guy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 49 minutes ago, Marco L said: I suspect the long yellowish rod is a belemnite Second that. Looks like it to me. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Rockwood said: Second that. Looks like it to me. Yep. Belemnitella americana. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 10 hours ago, Marco L said: It has a hole on hole side, but no hole on the second side. That is from the phragmocone. 3 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco L Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 Wow thank you, I presume my specimen is broken on the nonhole side, since I can see radial calcite crystals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossilsforever Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 It is a part of the rostrum. The opening is indeed where the phragmocone was located. Cool find! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 On 11/7/2022 at 5:00 AM, EPIKLULSXDDDDD said: I agree with the 2nd specimen being "Saber toothed salmon" or Enchodus for short I always thought the common-name was "saber-toothed herring", not "salmon" 'There's nothing like millions of years of really frustrating trial and error to give a species moral fibre and, in some cases, backbone' -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon said: I always thought the common-name was "saber-toothed herring", not "salmon" I think they are more closely related to salmon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Enchodus was related to lancetfish and lizardfish. The terms "saber-toothed herring" and "saber-toothed salmon" are colloquialisms invented by collectors based on superficial resemblances; Enchodus was not closely related to either herring or salmon. Much like the "Ginsu shark" (Cretoxyrhina), which is not actually related to Ginsu knives. Don 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikrogeophagus Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 6 hours ago, pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon said: I always thought the common-name was "saber-toothed herring", not "salmon" Yes I usually hear “herring” more often, but I believe I’ve also come across “salmon” before. I had also heard they were closer related to salmon, but maybe that is old info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) Salmoniformes aren't closely related to salmon ? Edited December 1, 2022 by Rockwood spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, FossilDAWG said: Enchodus was related to lancetfish and lizardfish. The terms "saber-toothed herring" and "saber-toothed salmon" are colloquialisms invented by collectors based on superficial resemblances; Enchodus was not closely related to either herring or salmon. Much like the "Ginsu shark" (Cretoxyrhina), which is not actually related to Ginsu knives. Wait! Wait! You mean to say Ginsu knives aren't actually made using Ginsu sharks? How else could they be made? 5 hours ago, Rockwood said: Salmoniformes aren't closely related to salmon ? Where'd you get this information from? My version of Wiki reiterates what Don wrote... Edited December 1, 2022 by pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon 'There's nothing like millions of years of really frustrating trial and error to give a species moral fibre and, in some cases, backbone' -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon said: Where'd you get this information from? My version of Wiki reiterates what Don wrote... Here My version (vision) of Wiki is that I don't trust Wiki. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Rockwood said: Here My version (vision) of Wiki is that I don't trust Wiki. Well, in any case, Aulopiformes are likely a sister group to the Salmoniformes so still more closely related to the salmon than to the herring. 1 1 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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