efpage11 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) I found this tooth yesterday on my backyard while working on a project. It was under about 5 feet of rock. This house was built back in 1960s and to my best knowledge this side of the backyard wasn't excavated - there was a serious layer of rocks. To what animal does this tooth belong? I can't figure it out... Edited January 3, 2023 by efpage11 More photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Welcome to the Forum. We will need to see views of the chewing surface to be of any assistance in ID. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efpage11 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said: Welcome to the Forum. We will need to see views of the chewing surface to be of any assistance in ID. Sorry, I was about to add more photos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 @Harry Pristis Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilus Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 bovine upper premolar? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efpage11 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, fossilus said: bovine upper premolar? I don't think it looks like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilus Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 I was thinking the one on the far right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efpage11 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 minute ago, fossilus said: I was thinking the one on the far right? It might be it. I am wondering about its side view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 It appears to me like a severely worn bovid tooth -- maybe a sheep P4. 1 1 1 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 I agree... premolar of a sheep or cow. Looks like you found an old rusty penny as well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efpage11 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 Could it be an alpaca tooth?https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-03038-x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 In the first photos the 3 root structure is very similar to an upper molar of humans. The 2 forward roots are mesial and distal buccal and the back root is palatal. The biting surface is not typical of humans. Definite wear patterns on the biting surface. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 The fact that it was under rocks could date it to a time before fields were being cleared of the obstructions. Otherwise the placement of a farm animals tooth would beg an explanation. No ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efpage11 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rockwood said: The fact that it was under rocks could date it to a time before fields were being cleared of the obstructions. Otherwise the placement of a farm animals tooth would beg an explanation. No ? Before the 1960s this area was a farm. I don't know what kind. It makes sense that farm animals were present in this area. Some rocks could have been moved during the house construction. That could explain that it was found under a lot of rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyw Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Rockwood said: Otherwise the placement of a farm animals tooth would beg an explanation. No ? Not really. I grew up on a farm that had been a working farm for over 100 years. (150+ now) There was a pile of rocks that we weren’t allowed to play around or dig under. It was an old lime pit. Evidently if they had animals die they threw them in the pit with some lime and a layer of dirt and repeat. When they stopped using the pit they covered it over with dirt then a pile of rock. Every so often we would still come across an odd tooth or bone fragment. Edited January 3, 2023 by Randyw 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efpage11 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 One more photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyw Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Rotated and cropped for comparison. It looks close to me… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efpage11 Posted January 4, 2023 Author Share Posted January 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Randyw said: Rotated and cropped for comparison. It looks close to me… It does look close. So, is it a cow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 7 hours ago, Randyw said: I grew up on a farm that had been a working farm for over 100 years. (150+ now) There was a pile of rocks that we weren’t allowed to play around or dig under. It was an old lime pit. Evidently if they had animals die they threw them in the pit with some lime and a layer of dirt and repeat. When they stopped using the pit they covered it over with dirt then a pile of rock. Every so often we would still come across an odd tooth or bone fragment. Ya know. This "really" sounds like an explanation to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efpage11 Posted January 4, 2023 Author Share Posted January 4, 2023 Adding more photos. I've researched this area. While there was a farm nearby (about a mile away) there is no mention of cattle. Besides, this area is on top of a rocky hill, not the best place for a pasture. I doubt they would be digging a hole and burying dead cattle on the top of a rocky hill. This area is very dry. I would assume that bones could be preserved under the rocks for a very long time. No other bones, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 54 minutes ago, efpage11 said: Adding more photos. I've researched this area. While there was a farm nearby (about a mile away) there is no mention of cattle. Besides, this area is on top of a rocky hill, not the best place for a pasture. I doubt they would be digging a hole and burying dead cattle on the top of a rocky hill. This area is very dry. I would assume that bones could be preserved under the rocks for a very long time. No other bones, though. The software does not support heic files - please post jpg ones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagebrush Steve Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 19 hours ago, jpc said: I agree... premolar of a sheep or cow. Looks like you found an old rusty penny as well. Can’t be that old of a penny since they only started putting the Lincoln memorial on the back in 1959….Well, maybe that is old now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Sagebrush Steve said: 1959….Well, maybe that is old now Agreed. Sometimes it does feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 16 hours ago, efpage11 said: It does look close. So, is it a cow? 19 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: It appears to me like a severely worn bovid tooth -- maybe a sheep P4. 1 hour ago, efpage11 said: I've researched this area. While there was a farm nearby (about a mile away) there is no mention of cattle. Besides, this area is on top of a rocky hill, not the best place for a pasture. Sheep or goats would be at home grazing a rocky hill. 1 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 It may be that the hill looked more like a rock pile at the time. Making it easier for a loose tooth to find its way relatively deep. Soil migrates more than one might expect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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