Diplocaulus Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Recently purchased this squid from the Tucson show. Looked a little off to me compared to the photos online but still bought it on a whim. Does it have any significant touch-ups or fakery? Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBkansas Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 From Lebanon? I don't know that I've ever seen one that was that well defined (which makes me suspicious). I'll wait for the experts though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diplocaulus Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, JBkansas said: From Lebanon? I don't know that I've ever seen one that was that well defined (which makes me suspicious). I'll wait for the experts though. Supposedly from Solnhofen, Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliosaur Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 @Diplocaulus This is most likely a species of plesioteuthis of the Jurassic era dating back 150 million years, which many of the fossils remains being found in Solnhofen Plattenkalk - Eichstatt, Germany To me this seems restored or fabricated to some extent, you don’t really see the calcite crystal preservation of the squid parts such as the mouth and tentacles. I’ve attached below an genuine example of the same species found in the same Solnhofen locality and you can see the differences in the fossil 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesco1994 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Pliosaur said: @Diplocaulus This is most likely a species of plesioteuthis of the Jurassic era dating back 150 million years, which many of the fossils remains being found in Solnhofen Plattenkalk - Eichstatt, Germany To me this seems restored or fabricated to some extent, you don’t really see the calcite crystal preservation of the squid parts such as the mouth and tentacles. I’ve attached below an genuine example of the same species found in the same Solnhofen locality and you can see the differences in the fossil they would look more like a cuttlefish rather than a squid or am I wrong? what can be glimpsed is the typical cuttlefish bone inside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliosaur Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) @Francesco1994 the picture that I included above is a species of squid, the earliest fossils of cuttlefish are from the end of the Cretaceous period and know from the species Ceratisepia I’ve attached a great resource to help identify and distinguish fossils and biology of body structure antatomy between squid and cuttlefish as they can be very similar in the fossil record https://www.palaeontologyonline.com/articles/2018/fossil-focus-coleoid-cephalopods-squid-cuttlefish-octopus/?doing_wp_cron=1675081694.2360529899597167968750 Edited January 30, 2023 by Pliosaur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesco1994 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Pliosaur said: @Francesco1994 the picture that I included above is a species of squid, the earliest fossils of cuttlefish are from the end of the Cretaceous period and know from the species Ceratisepia I’ve attached a great resource to help identify and distinguish fossils and biology of body structure antatomy between squid and cuttlefish as they can be very similar in the fossil record https://www.palaeontologyonline.com/articles/2018/fossil-focus-coleoid-cephalopods-squid-cuttlefish-octopus/?doing_wp_cron=1675081694.2360529899597167968750 Oh wow thank you, really interesting ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diplocaulus Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 14 hours ago, Pliosaur said: @Diplocaulus This is most likely a species of plesioteuthis of the Jurassic era dating back 150 million years, which many of the fossils remains being found in Solnhofen Plattenkalk - Eichstatt, Germany To me this seems restored or fabricated to some extent, you don’t really see the calcite crystal preservation of the squid parts such as the mouth and tentacles. I’ve attached below an genuine example of the same species found in the same Solnhofen locality and you can see the differences in the fossil Thanks for the info. It's a little disheartening to find out that there's a bit of fabrication, but at least I'll know better next time. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Unfortunately, I think this may be mostly a fabrication, if not entirely fabricated. Looks like it is sculpted, to me. 1 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 never seen one in this way, and, I have seen many Solnhofen-Squids... Fabricated arms and part of the body. this is my opionion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) I show you one in great condition with arms, this is how they normally look when they are perfect Split-pair, top: complete one, bottom: setmarks of the arms I only know preservation of arms like the ones from the thread from Lebanon Edited January 30, 2023 by rocket 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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